This is simply wrong. It's not.China is not communist
— Judaka
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China is the epitome of state capitalism. — Pfhorrest
Scientific socialism is not an immutable dogma. I once said that China’s great social transformation is not a masterplate from which we simply continue our history and culture, nor a pattern from which we mechanically apply the ideas of classic Marxist authors, nor a reprint of the practice of socialism in other countries, nor a duplicate of modernization from abroad. There is no orthodox, immutable version of socialism. It is only by closely linking the basic principles of scientific socialism with a country’s specific realities, history, cultural traditions, and contemporary needs, and by continually conducting inquiries and reviews in the practice of socialism, that a blueprint can become a bright reality.
these people, members of the CCP, genuinely believe that they are socialists — ssu
second hand electronics... Not sure how that's going to pan out over time. — Benkei
Perfect.Those policy points are very clearly and unapologetically authoritarian, which is not only completely contrary to the original (libertarian) socialism, but even contrary to the stated end-goal of Marxism, and is the reason why Marxism(-Leninism) consistently fails to actually achieve socialist ends: — Pfhorrest
Remember that even the Soviet Union and Communist China had a border conflict in 1969 after the Sino-Soviet Split, starting from things like Mao didn't like that Khrushchev denounced Stalin.I've been surprised by how China and Russia have somewhat cold relations with one another. Although, they plan to go back to the moon soon for scientific reasons. — Shawn
We simply don't care what they actually think, if it's not what we think. We judge those that think else than us. And unfortunately, we are getting only worse.What's your take on the West judging whether China is really communist or not? Hilarious or just dumb? — Shawn
Especially American political commentators are keen on to look at the differences and difficulties that the two countries have, yet I think that their relations are quite OK. Neither of the countries, Russia or China, want to play second fiddle in an alliance, and why upset the US with an alliance? Hence no alliance between them. — ssu
Never heard of the BRIC countries?Not a lot heard about the two cooperating, indeed. — Shawn
You can call whatever you want it: authoritarianism, fascism or capitalism, to make some point of a complex issue, yet that doesn't change China — ssu
It is about correctly labelling China, nobody is trying to change them with labels. The CCP resembles something like Nazi Germany, an advanced capitalist economy with a totalitarian government. — Judaka
It's typical that you say it resembles Nazi Germany, not that it grew out of something similar to Stalinist Soviet Union, which was close to heart for Mao. The Third Reich emerged from the Weimar Republic, which was capitalist. Modern day China emerged from Maoist China. For some peculiar reason Soviet Union or Marxism-Leninism or the authoritarianism of (Marxist) socialist regimes is all disappeared from the definitions of communism in the 21st Century. How neat.The CCP resembles something like Nazi Germany, an advanced capitalist economy with a totalitarian government. — Judaka
@ssuChinese banged their head on the wall enough to understand that the ideologically pure Marxism-Leninism simply didn't work. How dare they!
Exactly.. Deng Xiaoping was clever making this statement. — javi2541997
It's still not so evident. The Belt and Road initiative might be compared to a "Marshall Plan", but China isn't building up an alliance to contain the US. A more logical reason for the "Belt and Road" initiative is to do something with the massive industrial base that has been created to build those hundreds of new cities in order to prevent a huge economy recession.I think Xi Jinping is failing in some points because he is showing how evident China wants to control the world. — javi2541997
Or perhaps once you have been a Superpower, an ordinary "Great Power" status where you still would need to work with your peers as equals simply isn't the thing for you. Putin's Russia thinks it can be a Superpower still and Xi Jingping's China thinks it ought to be a Superpower.. Nevertheless it is interesting how always they avoid "European market" or the Euro itself. They don't want be part of it. This shows how powerful Russia is despite the fall of socialism/communism in 1991. — javi2541997
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