Is a difference in language an accurate way to perceive this divide? — FlaccidDoor
I'm not too familiar with these concepts. If I understand correctly, you are suggesting that the reason for the polarization might be like a baby that is stuck in the paranoid schizoid position, where the "bad" other group and the "good" current group is split? So we might be missing something we need to go into the depressive position?Melanie Klein spoke of two stages of development in infancy, in the child's relationship with the mother and the anxieties relating to her. — Jack Cummins
How about you? — FlaccidDoor
They each tried to voice the other’s position as clearly and precisely as possible and then tried to correct each other. — I like sushi
Some people get so riled up they only ever hear exactly what they expect to hear regardless of what is being said to them. If that happens it is usually best to ‘bail’ as stated by someone else above. — I like sushi
Where does this lack of empathy for the other side stem from? — FlaccidDoor
Given the OP is about family members I’m assuming these people know each other well enough to be reasonable. — I like sushi
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try another approach. — I like sushi
Liberals tend to occupy urban areas, conservatives tend to occupy suburban and rural areas.
Whether people moved to be with people whose thinking was congruent, or whether after moving their thinking changed to become congruent with their neighbors, I don't know. — Bitter Crank
So, it's no surprise that family members shift to opposite sides of the debate table, depending on their circumstances. All of my conservative family members are rural. They are politically, religiously, and socially conservative. — Bitter Crank
Politics and politicians do not have empathy. — javi2541997
Politicians only use emotion not knowledge. So I guess this is why a lot of people is faced because of them — javi2541997
but politicians are still people. They have their own ideology they work off, which isn't to say it can't be a corrupt one. You can run for office too if you wanted to try to change things with your own hands, for example. I bet you might face a lot of temptations and hardships, but I doubt you would say you had no empathy then. — FlaccidDoor
Is this radicalization that we see in our friends, families, and beyond something that was deliberately sought after? Maybe I'm getting too conspiratorial, but perhaps there is a force in politics that seek radicalization. — FlaccidDoor
No. It's a difference in stances. It is to be expected that people holding different stances cannot be friends or form a harmonious family.What do you guys think? Is a difference in language an accurate way to perceive this divide? — FlaccidDoor
So my conversations centered around trying to pry into the inner workings of the other, which while not quite explosive, may have been just as uncomfortable. — FlaccidDoor
Inside this situation there is a lot of toxicity and cheats. All of those who don’t want bear this situation end up leaving or criticising the system. — javi2541997
They are only know how to use emotions because there are lot of ignorant people with low paid jobs who are really easy to persuade them. If I say “Foreigners are taking your jobs” I am obviously lying. But somehow this argument gives hope to all of those rubbish citizens who never made something interest in their lives but watching junk TV. They feel better and “different” when their politicians tell them despite they are trash somehow are “better” than immigrants — javi2541997
It's that discussion of politics reveals the irreconcilable differences that are there between the people — baker
Sometimes, though, I've found that sincere interest in another's way of seeing things will open up a conversation, even if it's with someone I have strong, important disagreements with — T Clark
So I'm not really sure, other than that you seem to have a much more pessimistic view of society than I do. Am I right to say that you see politicians and the "ignorant people" as a puppeteer/puppet relationship? Politicians pull on the 'strings' of pathos to control the puppet that is those people. How do you prevent yourself from being one of the puppets, or know you aren't one?
Basically people aren't just discussing an opinion they thought out in a cold rational way, but rather theyre discussing (in often a very covert way) their past experiences, associations they've made through these past experiences, their emotions towards a subject, and the emotive arguments they've heard from other around them throughout life. — Experi
A civil debate seems to be getting ever rarer (other than on the philosophy forum, of course). Where does this lack of empathy for the other side stem from? — FlaccidDoor
I guess we live in different countries and this is why we have different perception of politicians. At least in my homeland they don't anything properly to do but divide the society and being corrupts.
You say how we can know we are not the puppet ones. Easy. When you are not the politician. Every politician is somehow a puppet. — javi2541997
Politics needs to be returned to the secular realm and away from groups who believe that their way has been handed down from (not God) but from the gods of moral superiority.
If you believe that your way is The Way, you're wrong. Each situation requires careful consideration — synthesis
Or do we have to bite the bullet and wait until something terribly bad happens to wake ourselves up every time?If the catastrophe unfolding at our southern boarder portends coming events, people are going to beg for balance in politics once again. — synthesis
I'm curious then how you characterize the "ignorant people with low paid jobs" you mentioned. You talk about them rather harshly but what differentiates you and other enlightened people from them?
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