I'm a bit rough on game theory, now in my early 30's; but, am saddened that homo economicus has been reduced to this automatic strategos looking out for who's #1. While in college, a 120 IQ guy told me that Europe works to live and American's live to work. — Shawn
If any of the above is true, then how the fuck do we get out of this dogmatization of human behavior through "game theory" — Shawn
What would be a higher ideal than the profit motive?
Do list at least three such ideals. — baker
If only the meaning of those wouldn't be so easy to define in accordance with the motive for profit ...Truth.
Justice.
Kindness.
Democracy.
Respect for person. — unenlightened
If only the meaning of those wouldn't be so easy to define in accordance with the motive for profit ... — baker
Truth.
Justice.
Kindness.
Democracy.
Respect for person. — unenlightened
Those "higher ideals" can mean anything anyone wants them to mean. This makes them useless, other than for purposes of manipulation. — baker
Sign off the times you think the profit motive is any kind of ideal, and a higher one at that. — Benkei
Higher ideals than the profit motive — Shawn
Hasn't capitalism brought more humans out of poverty than any other system? — fishfry
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, but lose his soul? — Mark 8:36
So manipulation is a higher purpose than profit?Those "higher ideals" can mean anything anyone wants them to mean. This makes them useless, other than for purposes of manipulation.
— baker
Of course, what else would ideals be used for? — unenlightened
Those "higher ideals" can mean anything anyone wants them to mean. This makes them useless, other than for purposes of manipulation.
— baker
Of course, what else would ideals be used for?
— unenlightened
So manipulation is a higher purpose than profit? — baker
Followed by:What would be a higher ideal than the profit motive?
Do list at least three such ideals.
— baker
Truth.
Justice.
Kindness.
Democracy.
Respect for person. — unenlightened
So your stance is something like:Those "higher ideals" can mean anything anyone wants them to mean. This makes them useless, other than for purposes of manipulation.
— baker
Of course, what else would ideals be used for? — unenlightened
So your stance is something like:
Truth, justice, kindness, democracy, and respect for person(which can mean anything to anyone)are higher ideals than the profit motive. — baker
Maybe what you mean is that one can falsely claim to hold these values, when in fact one does not. — Bitter Crank
There's also a contradiction in your reply in that what you consider worthwhile appears to be the reduction of poverty but this is merely ancillary to a profit motive, even if it were the underlying cause, because the profit motive doesn't aim at reducing poverty whatsoever. The higher ideal then already seems to be reducing poverty, as opposed to a profit motive. — Benkei
For the purposes of argument, let's say it has. Let's also admit that, other things being equal, wealth is preferable to poverty. Still one might prefer poverty in a healthy environment to wealth in a toxic environment, or poverty in freedom to wealth under coercion, and so on. This is not a notion invented by postmodern far left politically correct weirdos, it dates back 2000 years or so. — unenlightened
Is the argument here that Stalin, who killed 40 million and enslaved and impoverished the rest; and Mao, who killed 40 million, were the exemplars of non-capitalism you'd like to put up against 20th century capitalism? Or Castro's Cuba? — fishfry
I hardly need to respond. — fishfry
Respond to Jesus, the communists aren't posting. — unenlightened
Truth.
Justice.
Kindness.
Democracy.
Respect for person. — unenlightened
Maybe what you mean is that one can falsely claim to hold these values, when in fact one does not. — Bitter Crank
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