I think of police as being necessarily more autonomous, which of course in the case of bad or ill-trained policemen is a catastrophe waiting. — tim wood
That you believe such a thing occurred is a testament to your own value system, one easily moved to conclusion by gossip and palace intrigue — NOS4A2
I’m fairly certain you have not met the man, have zero personal observations, and like the rest of us derive your opinion from news stories and commentators. — NOS4A2
He had some choice words for those who participated in the incursion, so I think it can be said he was not a fan of them. — NOS4A2
I hate to say it but I knew it wouldn’t be long before a few sensationalized statements plucked from the vast sea of his rhetoric would occupy your opinion of the man. That’s how contextamy is supposed to work, after all. — NOS4A2
You mentioned he doesn’t like babies, and ran with it. But there is evidence contrary to your claim. I choose the evidence, you choose...what exactly? — NOS4A2
There isn’t a strand of chewing gum connecting the premise to your conclusion, but that’s how the internal logic of anti-Trumpism usually works. — NOS4A2
I also know what self defense spray is (the kind cops use). Bear spray is on a whole 'nother level. If you have asthma, allergy or any pre-existing condition, it could kill you. And, as we used to say in the law, you take your victim as you find him. — James Riley
"[Bear spray] isn’t supposed to inflict a level of pain and incapacitation on par with what pepper spray does, — FlaccidDoor
On top of causing less pain, "pepper sprays are specifically designed to bring down human adversaries — FlaccidDoor
In the Trumpian value system they would be classified as losers and suckers.
That you believe such a thing occurred is a testament to your own value system, one easily moved to conclusion by gossip and palace intrigue. — NOS4A2
Recently the lawyer for Sidney Powell, one of the most prominent instigators of the BIG LIE, stated in court recently that “No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.” — praxis
Sounds like you know more about this stuff than I do. My can of spray says "NOT FOR USE ON HUMANS". Active ingredients are Capsaicin and related capsaicinoids (Derived from Oleoresin of Capsicum) 2%, with 98% other ingredients. — James Riley
Apparently the OC content makes the burn here but I'm ignorant of what it is, where capsaicin is the spicy component I just mentioned.[Bear spray] is intended to deter the bear from attacking you while you’re out in the wild, and isn’t supposed to inflict a level of pain and incapacitation on par with what pepper spray does, which is why it contains only 1 to 2% OC but has a Capsaicin and Related Capsaicinoid concentration of 2%.
On top of causing less pain, "pepper sprays are specifically designed to bring down human adversaries — FlaccidDoor
My point was that the integrity of news sources are to be questioned, and holding skepticism in said news sources' claims are not the same as rejecting said claims — FlaccidDoor
What gives me doubts that the insurrection isn't as impressive as it's made out to be is that, while being made out to sound like the most terrible thing in modern history, no one on the law enforcement side was killed — FlaccidDoor
Take a look at Jimmy Carter, — 3017amen
Wisdom much like logic, is a priori and a posteriori. With respect to the latter wisdom changes based on empirical analysis. — 3017amen
In other words, might he had fired and hired top brass so as to install his minions, in the wake of the coup attempt, so that, after it had succeeded, he could trust in them to support him?
— Todd Martin
Our democracy of checks and balances would have precluded that from happening. — 3017amen
My recommendation would be to take this same intellectual energy and focus on something more virtuous — 3017amen
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The only confirmed murders were by the police to the rioters.
— FlaccidDoor
In the Trumpian value system they would be classified as losers and suckers. — praxis
Those guys still work together. That is scary, to me. — James Riley
but that is an uncertain standard, because it is the spirit, not the letter of those rules, that was sought when they were established...and it is just that spirit that has now come into question. — Todd Martin
Here, in my opinion, is more evidence of the American ppl’s lack of wisdom. Carter was a discreet mixture of traditional and progressive values; his successor was a precursor of Trump, a Hollywood celebrity who steered the country into materialism, away from buckskin and into Brooks Brothers. Carter probably fell out of favor only after the long Iran hostage crisis ended rather unsatisfactorily...which was not his fault. — Todd Martin
For my part, if I meet wisdom, in a man or group or institution, I consider it a permanent quality they possess that can be generally counted on. When Solomon was said to be wise there was no implication that he would someday become foolish—aren’t lifetime appointments for judges based on this idea?— after all, it was a wish granted by God...though one might suspect his promiscuity and choices with regard to women. — Todd Martin
You mean these same checks and balances that Trump undermined during his administration? — Todd Martin
Had he exercised more foresight, calculated more than just reacted, he might have gained himself a successful ride on that hobby-horse our founders feared our future leader might. — Todd Martin
Donald Jr or anybody of Trump's family has his or her chance if daddy isn't around anymore. You see, it is still Trump himself that has the delusional ideas that he can win again the GOP nomination and win again the Presidency. However the thing is that the media isn't anymore fixated in him. When has Trump been news lately? When is the last time he has said something that has gotten everybody commenting it?It needs to be one of the blood-line. The blood of the prince has power over the ppl like nothing else. If his dad wasn’t bold enough, Donald Jr might be. What is he doing right now? Do you think he isn’t salivating over wet-dreams of 2024? — Todd Martin
It really still is hypothetical. But then again, remember how delusional and afraid people were after 9/11? And let's think about it if every major city in the US started to look and feel like Portland? Have enough polarization, ineffiecient governance, violence and riots and then people might in the end be too tired just about everything. In that kind of situation to say that emergency powers are there to protect the Constitution might sound totally logical and correct to enough people.Another consideration is, the "top brass" aren't as on top as they might like to think. And the troops aren't inclined to follow all orders. There is a limit. That limit would be found had the top brass followed Tump. But again, it's all academic, because the top brass wouldn't do that. — James Riley
Donald Jr or anybody of Trump's family has his or her chance if daddy isn't around anymore. — ssu
And what actually comes of the Trump brand? You see, the era of social media has made us even more short sighted than ever. We lose focus even more quicker than before. People might remember the Tea Party or the Occupy Wall Street movement, but do the follow these movements now? Are they making the waves here? The next Presidential election is years ahead.Who could be the heir apparent? Who has Trump's faith in the brand? He is the brand, and he rose to that position because of a narcissism that has been refined down to a level so pure that it has rarely (if ever) been seen in the annals of man. — James Riley
(CNN, March 31st, 2021)The former president will return to social media in two to three months on his own platform, according to Jason Miller, a long-time Trump adviser and spokesperson for the president's 2020 campaign. The new platform will attract "tens of millions" of new users and "completely redefine the game," Miller added.
Let's see how completely it "redefines the game"... — ssu
More courage and less brains? Hmm.We just need to make sure law enforcement is keeping tabs on his followers, just in case someone with more courage and less brains than Trump decides to attack the Union. — James Riley
If you look at the reality, the American security apparatus has kept tabs on every kind of domestic group there is that can possible adhere to violence, from right-wing militias to animal rights activists and everything in between. — ssu
I'm sure both the events of last year and of last January have increased emphasis on domestic terrorism in many departments. — ssu
And of course, let's not forget that it was a vote of 81 million to 74 million, so the smartest thing isn't to call those 74 million followers that have to be kept tabs on. — ssu
Nothing alienates conservatives and authoritarian right-wingers more than mob attacking and killing policemen. — ssu
The Trump crowd hadn't been violent before. And of course, Trump didn't respond to the riot, obviously, but just looked at how events unfolded. Simple as that, actually.And yet it happened. I suspect it happened, not because the apparatus wasn't looking, but because so many within it "stood back and stood by" while it happened. — James Riley
And most of those 81 million weren't rioting in the streets last summer either. They stayed home too.Most of those 74m were smarter and stayed home. It doesn't take a whole lot to be smarter than Trump, or to have more courage. — James Riley
Well, you go with the polarization of your country then, if you want. I've lost hope that Americans could be capable of consensus or calming down and doing away with the polarization. If a pandemic cannot get Americans together, what could do that? Think of your fellow citizens as the enemy then, if you like it. Some seen to do so.I refuse to cede that ground to them. I think they pick and choose which mob and which cop will get their interest or alienation. — James Riley
The Trump crowd hadn't been violent before. And of course, Trump didn't respond to the riot, obviously, but just looked at how events unfolded. Simple as that, actually. — ssu
Well, you go with the polarization of your country then, if you want. . . . Think of your fellow citizens as the enemy then, if you like it. Some seen to do so. — ssu
Just replace the word "the right" with "the left": "If the left wants to bury the hatchet, they need to confess the error of their ways first. They brought this shit on themselves, etc. etc." How does that sound?If the right wants to bury the hatchet, they need to confess the error of their ways first. They brought this shit on themselves. They are back under the fridge for now. But we have to assume they are planning. And they may be hiding in an among our intelligence, law enforcement and military communities. If all they do is drag their feet we'll be lucky. — James Riley
"The Right" just as "The Left" depicted as a single actor isn't credible here. — ssu
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