Science can make accurate predictions about the world, unlike a shaman. — emancipate
But our best science at the moment seems to imply that our universe is probabilistic and not determined.
Dennett believes in free will as well. I'm not seeing the problem with truth here. — Manuel
I am not speaking of science and its inconsistent views about the universe, e.g. Einstein's block time vs..probabilistic quantum waves. I am more interested in the meaningless of determinism as applied to life. — MondoR
Well, I mean I don't know if science has any views per se. People doing science have views, often very different views it seems to me. — Manuel
How is everyone correct in a determined universe? Why can't there still be truths and falsehoods? — noname
The Universe is what it is. It is me making sounds and you making sounds. Just shuffling along on the block time. — MondoR
Hence, there are true statements — Banno
How would an undetermined universe change your concern? Wouldn't statements still be utterances and so on? — noname
I read your thread introduction now and I am not convinced about your basis, 'Everything is as it is determined to be'. This seems too simplified, and on what basis is that determined? I think that needs to be explored more, before you go on to the wider exploration of objective truth. — Jack Cummins
Why can't that happen in a determined universe? — noname
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