Pro-choice people have zero natural law instincts — Gregory
Once a zygote is formed human DNA is activated as a human being. — Gregory
It is not the same thing, as I've explained. — Gregory
So you got a big problem there bud. — Gregory
I sympathise with both prey and predator, but generally more so with the predator, because a quick death by having the neck severed is preferable to a slow death by starvation. I have occasionally rescued prey animals from domestic pets, but that's because they can be assumed to be well fed without needing to catch and eat prey on their own initiative. (I imagine you're not too keen on the idea of pets at all - would I be right?) I live in the suburbs, and we quite often get foxes wandering around in the daytime looking for food, looking very thin and, to my inexpert eye, mangy. They are a by-product of human society, which fucks up the natural order and doesn't care what misery it causes to other species.Whenever I hear people sympathizing with a prey animal under attack, I try my best to sympathize with the predator trying to put food on the table (and feed his/her own kids) while some dickhead human comes to the rescue of the "innocent" little prey animal. — James Riley
Ridiculous. What is wrong with someone who supports abortion of pre-sentient foetuses saying they would be willing to perform the abortion themselves? It merely shows that I am honest and consistent. I can't help it if you are too squeamish to accept the fact that I would practise what I preach.'m not going to respond to you on this because there were other ways to respond to what I initially said instead of saying you'd be happy to perform an abortion. Since you're a Nazi I'm not going to reason with you because it's my reason connected with ethical sense vs your reason connected to evil. There no real way to have a discussion with you even though your arguments are the same as others. It's just about the best way to deal with you — Gregory
(I imagine you're not too keen on the idea of pets at all - would I be right?) — Herg
We're in the same boat. We currently have one dog, and in the past we've had three other dogs, 16 cats, and 24 guinea pigs. We feed our dogs and cats on tinned food which no doubt comes from intensive farming of cows, sheep and pigs, which I disapprove of on moral grounds. so I am also a hypocrite, but I don't have time and energy to give them meat from kinder sources, and besides, we're vegetarian, so we don't have meat in the house. It's an ethical quagmire.(I imagine you're not too keen on the idea of pets at all - would I be right?)
— Herg
You are right, but I'm a hypocrite. I have a dog and three cats. — James Riley
Well, I wouldn't talk of essences, not believing in them, but yes, I think it's bad. But we're all in it up to our necks. Slavery of humans was largely abolished in the 19th century, but we still enslave animals. If there's a God, he's not going to be happy with us when we finally meet him.But I've often wondered if domestication of species was original sin. You take something and deprive it of it's essence. That can be utilitarian but I don't think it's good.
*sigh* No I don't. It sounds like a rather messy and unpleasant job, and there's a high risk of being assaulted by deluded pro-life extremists like you.It doesn't respect pregnancy but you can't see that because you want to be an abortion doctor. — Gregory
False analogy. Jews and gays are sentient, pre-sentient foetuses are not. When are you going to face up to this?↪tim wood
It's not about logic on paper but real life reality (existential reality). Hitler said Jews weren't people. The president of Poland said gays aren't people. Pro choicers are doing the same thing with a group of individuals because the littler persons are invisible to the eye without ultrasounds, etc. — Gregory
but we still enslave animals. — Herg
You're more optimistic than I am. Nice poem, BTW. As we're sharing, I'll post one of mine.I believe that if we are still around in 100 year or so, humans will be looking back and wondering WTF we were thinking. — James Riley
For those faced with those decisions there is a very real difference between stopping machines you set up and shooting the person in the head. This is not an "on paper" issue. It's life and blood reality — Gregory
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