CRT is dangerous because it holds a special status as being academic, which gives it an air of credibility. After a few decades since its conception it now finds itself in the highest echelons of politics and business and entertainment. — NOS4A2
I fear CRT is the direct descendant of the old racism rather than its opposition. The idea that wider American society constitutes “white supremacy”, as if no other hand but a white one could influence it, change it, or benefit from it, is not only manifestly false debilitating to those who believe it. And the notion of viewing the world through a “racial lens”, which is common to all racists, is frightening given that such a pseudoscientific framework has led to injustice and atrocity, as it must. — NOS4A2
Their attempts to attack it in this sweeping way will fail , I believe, because we’re moving into a post-marxist era where the best concepts from Marx, Critical theory and post-modernism are usurping Enlightenment liberalism as the new ground of political
thought. — Joshs
here are no ideal situations. Again, the best you can hope for is that your society works towards particular goals. Look at the difference in opportunity afforded to AAs in 1960 v. 2021. It's night and day.
You can not throw out the good because you want the perfect. — synthesis
And yes, opportunity exists, but obviously we do not have true equality of opportunity, and if CRT is the way to it, so be it - it just needs to be kept in check. — ToothyMaw
AAs need to get their communities together and do what the Asians did, work their asses off. — synthesis
CRT is crazy. It is Maoist cultural revolution kind of stuff. — synthesis
Furthermore, CRT asserts that race-conscious policies need to be pursued to both combat white supremacy and to create more equality of opportunity. — ToothyMaw
I get that it might seem like CRT is repackaged racism, but many of the race-conscious policies that are being pushed for are being pushed to combat inequality, not increase it, and if we need to have, for example, quotas, to achieve maximum equality of opportunity, I'm fine with that; some inequality in the short term might lead to a more equitable outcome in the long. And I think that proponents of CRT don't think only white people have the power, but rather that they have a disproportionate share of it due to pervasive racism embedded in our institutions and such.
Aren’t race-conscious policies and quotas a form of exclusionary, institutional racism? It seems to me if we want to rid the system of embedded racism we should first start by refusing to institute it. — NOS4A2
For instance, at the moment, white farmers are suing the federal government of the US because they are excluded from debt relief programs due to the fact of their skin color, and by no other measure. I think this is wrong for the same reason it is wrong to exclude any other race. How can it be said that this combats inequality? — NOS4A2
Well, then what explains all the successful AAs and Asians and Indians as well as all the poor white people?AAs need to get their communities together and do what the Asians did, work their asses off.
— synthesis
Has it ever occurred to you that many people of color are hard-working yet are not doing well financially because of external disadvantages? Maybe from a long history of differential treatment? — ToothyMaw
Well, then what explains all the successful AAs and Asians and Indians as well as all the poor white people? — synthesis
I am belittling nobody as I have been around a lot of very successful people of all colors. — synthesis
There is no doubt in my mind that the AA community will come into its own within the next couple of generations. — synthesis
don't see liberalism solving the issues of racial inequality plaguing our society — ToothyMaw
Well, then what explains all the successful AAs and Asians and Indians as well as all the poor white people?
— synthesis
I'm a little confused; how is that relevant? I'm asking you to recognize that people of color - even the supposedly unsuccessful ones - often times are hard workers that are struggling with the effects of a history of oppression. Just because this is a trend doesn't mean that it is the case for all of them. — ToothyMaw
As to whether or not it is part of a Chinese plot: I think that the conditions of US academia are wholly sufficient for producing and propagating CRT, with all of its flaws. — ToothyMaw
Talk of rights in liberal theory since Rawls has moved on to talk of opportunity and access. The discussion of a supposed freedom to post lies is worthy of further consideration. But pivotal here is the failure to recognise white privilege, together with the the failure to present any alternative politic.
But it's all parochial stuff; 'merican middle-class male dominance. — Banno
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