Quaint to say for an admirer of Wittgenstein. Wittgenstein was thoroughly anti-Platonic.To me it was almost as if grasping the Platonic form in words, as I am a Platonist for the matter — Question
Quaint to say for an admirer of Wittgenstein. Wittgenstein was thoroughly anti-Platonic. — Agustino
Circularity isn't the only issue. Meaning doesn't require truth to have meaning at all. Truth is a property of propositions. Propositions are true if they represent an actual state of affairs. Propositions have meaning even when they are false. The only time when they lack meaning is when they are tautologies or contradictions - then they are nonsense.1.Meaning requires truth to have meaning. (circular but true) — Question
No. They obtain their meaning from the relations they portray between objects as being the case. If this relationship is identical to the one found in the world, then they are also true. But the meaning is the picture they create - whether that picture is true - ie corresponds to the facts - is a different story.2.All objective statements obtain their meaning from the state of affairs they are (subject and object) in the world. — Question
Why would an argument be required? "Outside is raining" doesn't require a grounding argument/reason at all to be true. All that is required is that such a situation obtains in the world.3.For objective statements to be true, a grounding argument/reason is required. — Question
Circularity isn't the only issue. Meaning doesn't require truth to have meaning at all. Truth is a property of propositions. Propositions are true if they represent an actual state of affairs. Propositions have meaning even when they are false. The only time when they lack meaning is when they are tautologies or contradictions - then they are nonsense. — Agustino
No. They obtain their meaning from the relations they portray between objects as being the case. If this relationship is identical to the one found in the world, then they are also true. But the meaning is the picture they create - whether that picture is true - ie corresponds to the facts - is a different story. — Agustino
Why would an argument be required? "Outside is raining" doesn't require a grounding argument/reason at all to be true. All that is required is that such a situation obtains in the world. — Agustino
The Tractatus is a work about the world. — Question
Not only by science. "It is raining" is an empirical proposition that is verified by looking outside your window.Every objective statement is a proposition verified by science. — Question
This would be considered a category error even by Wittgenstein. Facts aren't true. Truth is a property not of facts, but of propositions.That's the same thing I said just said a different way. Facts are always true. — Question
This is merely a cop-out. I went through your argument and showed you why your premises don't stack up, especially on Wittgenstein's premises.If you apply the principle of sufficient reason, then everything can be reasoned away ad infinitium. Platonism is the fundamental truth upon which all else stands. — Question
8-) yes!But not only about the world. After all, although the world is everything that is the case, whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. So, there are things about which we cannot speak
The Tractatus is also about that of which we must be silent, despite saying nothing on the topic.
The Investigations is also about that silence.
Wittgenstein realised the limitations of the Tractatus, resulting in the Investigations; which starts with a critique of the approach taken in the Tractatus. The Investigations lays out the background of language against which a work such as the Tractatus must take place; and shows it to be a word game; in the process Wittgenstein makes use of analytic tools showing the limitations of philosophical enquiry.
He turns the Tractatus, and other philosophical systems, into parlour games. — Banno
This would be considered a category error even by Wittgenstein. Facts aren't true. Truth is a property not of facts, but of propositions. — Agustino
This is merely a cop-out. I went through your argument and showed you why your premises don't stack up, especially on Wittgenstein's premises. — Agustino
But not only about the world. After all, although the world is everything that is the case, whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. So, there are things about which we cannot speak
The Tractatus is also about that of which we must be silent, despite saying nothing on the topic.
The Investigations is also about that silence.
Wittgenstein realised the limitations of the Tractatus, resulting in the Investigations; which starts with a critique of the approach taken in the Tractatus. The Investigations lays out the background of language against which a work such as the Tractatus must take place; and shows it to be a word game; in the process Wittgenstein makes use of analytic tools showing the limitations of philosophical enquiry.
He turns the Tractatus, and other philosophical systems, into parlour games. — Banno
Facts aren't true. Truth is a property not of facts, but of propositions. — Agustino
Facts are always true. — Question
Facts as true propositions are true. Facts as the situations that true propositions describe aren't the sort of things that are true. Except when they are, like with true feelings or the true heir.
This is where Wittgenstein comes to shine. You want to know what it means to be true (or a fact)? Look to the many ways in which we use the word "true" (or "fact"). There isn't just one way. — Michael
The banality of OLP, etc. is an English phenomenon through and through and found a congenial environment at Oxford. — The Great Whatever
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