And Jews can go to New York.
This is nuts. — Manuel
Crazy how people just reframe the core issue, an occupying apartheid state, to this. — Maw
I'm a pro-Palestine American Jew, and having been conditioned, if not demanded, to support Israel for 30 years, it's hard not to feel a tinge of self-disgust watching Jews dancing and cheering at the Western Wall, waving the Magen David. — Maw
Is that the core issue? I don't know anything about the Israeli-Palestine conflict. — Michael
What is upsetting about Jews parading around with the Israeli flag? — BitconnectCarlos
So should I be concerned more with the victims of the fighting or with the reasons for the fighting? — Michael
his issue does raise passions a bit — Manuel
Is the English that are known for understatement? Are you English? That's got to rank right up there at the tippy top old chap! — James Riley
Breathe, 180, breathe. That's so far from being a parallel that you even first of all must see it. And with that there's naught else to say.The apartheid colonialist State of Israel has demonstrated in the last few decades that the ineluctable lesson of history is that people more often than not refuse to learn from – not merely "forget" – their history. To wit: Nazis + "Lebensraum" —> genocide; Zionists + "Promised Land" —> ethnic cleansing. :eyes: — 180 Proof
Yeah nothing upsetting about Jews waving the Israeli flag, dancing and cheering as a fire breaks out near the third holiest site for Muslims. — Maw
The apartheid colonialist State of Israel has demonstrated in the last few decades that the ineluctable lesson of history is that people more often than not refuse to learn from – not merely "forget" – their history. To wit: Nazis + "Lebensraum" —> genocide; Zionists + "Promised Land" —> ethnic cleansing. :eyes:
— 180 Proof
Breathe, 180, breathe. That's so far from being a parallel that you even first of all must see it. And with that there's naught else to say. — tim wood
If every time a Jew did something bad it caused me to feel self-disgust I'd just permanently be in a state of grossness. — BitconnectCarlos
However, the biggest factors would be those internal to Israel:
1. Demographic shifts with higher birth rates in ultra Orthodox and Middle Eastern Jews, who tended to favor conservative parties led to a long series conservative governments less in favor of peace.
2. The new Israeli border security measures were very effective. The dramatic reduction in successful terror attacks took pressure off the government to make peace. — Count Timothy von Icarus
And the state who is demonstrably - and so far successfully - committed to the annihilation of a population is Israel. — StreetlightX
I don’t recall such threats ever coming from Black South Africans toward the white population. — Joshs
Tim, you "win" by not responding to this. Yes, Zionists + Promise land = ethnic cleansing is true in just the same way that BLM + Police reform = White genocide.
You win by not responding. — BitconnectCarlos
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