Would you sign up for the resistance if that happened to you? — frank
This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. "If you can't win against a force that is successfully exterminating you bit by bit, then you ought to roll over and die in silence". — StreetlightX
Violence against oppression isn't evil. — Benkei
And the conclusion that if there's no way out and they should just roll over and accept is ridiculously nihilistic. Evil should be resisted especially when success is unlikely. — Benkei
Better to die in silence than take other innocent people with you. — Echarmion
It is worth clarifying how the debate in this thread is unfolding. There is onelet's get back to how Isreali apartheid is finally being shown for what it is. — StreetlightX
And there it is.
Not a peep about the violence of settler colonialism of the Isreali state but - 'they should die in silence'.
Fucking warped. — StreetlightX
for you it's all about who I am as a person, not what my arguments are. — Echarmion
You arguments show me who you are as a person. A rat. — StreetlightX
Thanks for taking off your mask. — Echarmion
Better to die in silence than take other innocent people with you. — Echarmion
Pointless violence, however, definetly is. Hamas isn't fighting oppression. They're getting Palestinians and Israelis killed for zero gain. — Echarmion
By what logic should you do something especially if it's unlikely to succeed? That's just indulging in a heroic fantasy. — Echarmion
Palestinians are Greek Orthodox — frank
Would you toss bombs into Jerusalem? — frank
When I say that the Isreali state should stop murdering children and engaging in settler colonialism, it really does have everything to do with the Isreali state, which is murdering children and engaging in settler colonialism. — StreetlightX
Palestinians were all Christians, isn't it? My guess is that Israel would not exist, or at least that it would be a much more reduced nation than it is at this time. In any event, it would not be treating Christians as it is treating Palestinians now. — Ciceronianus the White
No, it's not. — James Riley
It's never pointless. — James Riley
They are fighting oppression. Use of methods which adversely impact innocents is a consequence of inequality. You want a fair fight? Then arm up the parties until they are on an equal footing. Don't want to do that? Okay, I understand why you would not want to do that. But then you live with the consequences of your oppression. — James Riley
By the same logic used to oppress you. I would fully understand Comanches raiding settler's homesteads and slaughtering the "innocent" women and children, and inviting reprisals against their own kin. — James Riley
If we wanted a fair fight, we should have got naked, jumped on a horse and took over their land that way, leaving our guns at home. Or we could have armed them up and trained them to fight and kill us on the terms we want to be fought and killed on. That's just fundamentally stupid. — James Riley
What's the utility of pointless death? — Echarmion
I'll believe that if anyone can point out a practical way that rocket attacks or similar actions have the least bit of a positive effect on the situation of the oppressed. — Echarmion
I'm saying that what you're doing must have some practical chance of resulting in a situation that is "less bad". And I don't see such a chance here. — Echarmion
Understand, yes. Justify, no. — Echarmion
At least the comanche raiders could believe that if they killed a bunch of civilians, the Europeans might retreat and they might get to keep their lands. But you'd have to be delusional to think that firing rockets at cities is going to get the Isreali military to back down, much less improve the chance of anyone else coming in to help you. — Echarmion
Biden needs to say something. — frank
Expansion? No. Occupation? I don't like the occupation but until the Palestinians renounce violence as a political tool I think the occupation is a necessary evil. I would love to end it though. — BitconnectCarlos
Maybe, rather than talk, he should reverse all the Trump actions. Move embassies, etc. — James Riley
It's not pointless. You're paying attention, aren't you? That's the point. — James Riley
It's kind of a "How does it feel, MFs?" kind of statement. — James Riley
You see, that's just it. Nothing they do would present such a case. Your argument reminds me of the arguments of some preceding the Civil War in the U.S. "Just wait, it will work itself out and go away." It had been generations. Sometimes, the gig is up. You can get on the trains or you can kick them in the nuts as you go down. — James Riley
If justice had anything to do with it, we wouldn't have the situation in the first place. — James Riley
I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic. The exact, exact same arguments were made to the Comanche. In fact, some leaders were brought back east to see the might of the U.S. and the futility of resistance. That didn't help and, understandably, it wouldn't.
Edited to add: The Palestinians have a much greater chance than did the Comanche. — James Riley
Biden needs to say something. — frank
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