not giving up land they are stealing s — Manuel
Go argue your Zionist lunacies with someone else. — Manuel
No. I am saying the premises of the debate are fallacious. Moral debates are mainly garbage. I am antinatalist/ No one who creates children has a moral leg to stand on in my opinion. — Andrew4Handel
I see. — Baden
Go argue your Zionist lunacies with someone else — Manuel
Let's weep for personal tragedy to obfuscate the slow genocide of an entire people. — Benkei
Hamas won a democratic election in Gaza. Israel did not like the results and punished Gazans for voting Hamas in. — Manuel
Nonetheless, we've got posters in this thread who have little interest in doing anything except feigning moral indignation, virtue signalling and just trying to drag others through the mud. There are some interesting conversations to be had about this situation and you'd think a philosophy forum might discuss them but this thread is about as bad as it gets. — Judaka
he/they must completely dismantle the entire state-apparatus of oppression now... [and] should begin by giving up its own policies of state-terrorism and military-economic support for client/proxy-terrorism — 180Proof
in all honesty somewhat trepid about getting myself involved in a 28 page Israel thread. — coolazice
For Palestine and Israel to negotiate a settlement based on the 1967 borders, the territorial rights that are currently written in international law. International law isn't the end be all, but it provides a legal mechanism for enforcement that the international community can agree upon. And it has to be done sincerely unlike the Oslo accords, the Palestinians need control of their own territory, they need their own country. That's the minimum requirement that needs to be done for Palestinians to survive strangulation, and the most that can be done in the short term in my opinion. — Saphsin
I am not claiming Israel has done nothing wrong but they are clearly in an existential fight for survival. — Andrew4Handel
I couldn't imagine the US tolerating rocket attacks on US citizens with their homes being bombed and neighborhoods destroyed. There'd be some major hell to pay for the aggressor. — BitconnectCarlos
Whatever else will be said about this massacre, Israel cannot be said to be defending itself from territory it is occupying. It's a contradiction in terms.
The US needs to stop sending military support to the only country in the Middle East which has nuclear weapons and is destroying the lives of civilians which lands it is stealing. This issue will not stop until the occupation stops. Utterly horrifying and contemptible behavior from the Israeli state. — Manuel
99% of the killing is done by Israel. 99% of the children murdered are murdered by Israel. The idea that's just defending themselves from the vastly inferior power they are violently occupying is where the parody comes in. — Baden
Completely ignoring the power imbalance, and hence reality. — Xtrix
99% of the killing is done by Israel. 99% of the children murdered are murdered by Israel. The idea that's just defending themselves from the vastly inferior power they are violently occupying is where the parody comes in. — Baden
Yeah, in that ballpark. From the cheap seats, the practical terms look to me something like thisI assume you mean dismantling all settlements over the Green Line, ending occupation and bombing campaigns, that sort of thing? — coolazice
No worries. Glad for your company again, cool; though in all seriousness all I can say about joining this knife-throwing circlejerk is "I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies."Apologies for the late reply, have been away. (and in all honesty somewhat trepid about getting myself involved in a 28 page Israel thread...)
The reason Israel suffers so many less casualties is because they have a missile defense system that intercepts the vast majority of rockets which saves countless lives. Would you support Israel more if more Israelis died and the casualty count was 50/50? — BitconnectCarlos
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