What exactly do you mean by "the philosophical reasoning associated with a God's existence"? — tim wood
OK. Follow this closely, if you feel eternity then you feel you are forever. You feel you are not your material body. Thus death is not the materialist "nothingness". — Zenny
What exactly do you mean by "the philosophical reasoning associated with a God's existence"?
— tim wood
In our context, it means that for the Atheist, if he/she reasons that God does not exist (philosophical discourse) then he/she puts themselves in a precarious position of defending their belief system (or value system). In other words, it puts them in an untenable position of authority. — 3017amen
Because one you don't feel that yourself,so its disingenuous to tell me. — Zenny
If I happen to not believe there is a hippopotamus wearing a tutu in my closet, does that mean I have a belief or value system that puts me in a precarious position if I attempt to defend it? Or that puts me in an untenable position of authority? — tim wood
And who reasons that God does not exist? — tim wood
People look for evidence — tim wood
Christian understandings of God preclude finding any, and conclude that there is no evidence. — tim wood
And how am I in a position of authority, and how or why would that position be untenable? — tim wood
Now, if you as a matter of faith believe things that I do not believe, ultimately, so what? If, on the other hand, you're quite sure I should believe those things, then why, or how, should I? You're welcome to stay over there with your beliefs - and your own rules of discourse and discussion. But why would you expect those to work in any environment where those have been well-tested and found empty, deficient, offensive, and counter-productive?
If you have faith, and you take the matters of that faith to be real in ways and senses that they are not, then you're crazy. Whether or not a problem a different question, but the ground fertile for toxicity. — tim wood
Nope,of course not. — Zenny
No.Are you referring to Bayesian statistics and probability logic? — 3017amen
And just pointed out to you that an atheist uses reason. For example, I can reason that no such hippo occupies my closet, but that not conclusive. On the other hand, I can use reason and by that be informed that looking in the closet might be a reasonable test. I then look, and form a conclusion based on evidence. See the difference? Aristotle, apparently, reasoned similarly that heavier objects fall faster than lighter objects. Fortunately a general improvement in reasoning and understanding reasoning has occurred since then.And who reasons that God does not exist?
— tim wood An Atheist. — 3017amen
Evidence that comports with the conclusions drawn.People look for evidence
— tim wood
What's considered appropriate evidence? — 3017amen
And this no answer. Assuming you're Christian, you need a better understanding of your faith. The creed is, "We believe," not "There exists," or "He existed." Or if you are not a Christian, then whatever your faith, you still need to come to an understanding of what faith is.Christian understandings of God preclude finding any, and conclude that there is no evidence.
— tim wood Jesus existed. — 3017amen
Try this. You can believe what you like. In this respect faith is like monopoly money. But if you want to buy something, there is a lot of work you have to do - which the Christian fathers, in the case of Christianity, have troubled to tell us cannot be done. A belief in the existence of things that lack that quality is a kind of madness, or even madness itself. And some good is done by the mad, but also much harm.Is it possible to re-word that, not exactly sure what you're trying to articulate there. — 3017amen
The question is/was how or why?And how am I in a position of authority, and how or why would that position be untenable?
— tim wood
Any positive statements that posits no-God puts you in that position. — 3017amen
if I'm eternal — Zenny
Well I'm not dealing in "ifs" here. — Zenny
I suppose 'my atheism' is derived in part from fear of theists who take their bullshit literally and thickly spread it wherever they go. — 180 Proof
Because one you don't feel that yourself,so its disingenuous to tell me. Two,I can disagree with someone if I feel their feelings are mistaken. Some people claim they haven't felt love. Is that a proof it doesn't exist? — Zenny
Are you referring to Bayesian statistics and probability logic? — 3017amenNo.
And who reasons that God does not exist?
— tim wood An Atheist. — 3017amenAnd just pointed out to you that an atheist uses reason. For example, I can reason that no such hippo occupies my closet, but that not conclusive. On the other hand, I can use reason and by that be informed that looking in the closet might be a reasonable test. I then look, and form a conclusion based on evidence. See the difference? Aristotle, apparently, reasoned similarly that heavier objects fall faster than lighter objects. Fortunately a general improvement in reasoning and understanding reasoning has occurred since then. — tim wood
People look for evidence
— tim wood
What's considered appropriate evidence? — 3017amenEvidence that comports with the conclusions drawn. — tim wood
then whatever your faith, you still need to come to an understanding of what faith is. — tim wood
A belief in the existence of things that lack that quality is a kind of madness, or even madness itself. And some good is done by the mad, but also much harm. — tim wood
And how am I in a position of authority, and how or why would that position be untenable?
— tim wood
Any positive statements that posits no-God puts you in that position. — 3017amenThe question is/was how or why? — tim wood
When your hot do you dispute that? — Zenny
Well, there's a lot to unpack there. Do you want to defend Atheism based on cosmology, cognitive science (consciousness) , phenomenology, metaphysics, or... ? Let me know which means/method approach you want to argue for Atheism. — 3017amen
Whatever. If a conclusion is evidentiary, then it at the same time comports with the form of argument.Evidence that comports with the conclusions drawn.
— tim wood
Is that through induction or deduction or something else... ? — 3017amen
Ok. My methodology is scientific in nature, and the logic is that a) no evidence of existence warrants a conclusion of non-existence, and b) that the thing in question, if it's the Christian God, is said to be indemonstrable and inconceivable.We are trying to discuss your no EOG using logic. — 3017amen
Speculate as you like, just don't confuse yourself into thinking that I do. Btw, were I to insist to you that there is a hippopotamus in my closet, would you suppose me mad, or that I had a hippopotamus (in a tutu) in my closet?A belief in the existence of things that lack that quality is a kind of madness, or even madness itself. And some good is done by the mad, but also much harm.
— tim wood
I'm not sure what that means. I can only speculate that there is some sort of grudge or axe to grind there. — 3017amen
It seems either you are unwilling or unable to answer a simple question. Do you understand the words?And how am I in a position of authority, and how or why would that position be untenable?
— tim wood
Any positive statements that posits no-God puts you in that position. — 3017amenThe question is/was how or why?
— tim wood
The how, is by advancing a proposition that a God does not exist. The why, would likely related to human sentient existence. You know, cognitive science kinds of stuff — 3017amen
Why does it need defending? — tim wood
Nor does anyone argue for atheism — tim wood
A-theism is simply a reasoned conclusion based on evidence, or more exactly the lack of evidence, compounded by in the case of Christianity the assertion that no such evidence is possible. — tim wood
In short, if you base your faith on the claim that God exists, then you are not a Christian. — tim wood
if it's the Christian God, is said to be indemonstrable and inconceivable. — tim wood
Btw, were I to insist to you that there is a hippopotamus in my closet, would you suppose me mad, or that I had a hippopotamus (in a tutu) in my closet? — tim wood
And how am I in a position of authority, and how or why would that position be untenable?
— tim wood
Any positive statements that posits no-God puts you in that position. — 3017amenThe question is/was how or why?
— tim wood
The how, is by advancing a proposition that a God does not exist. The why, would likely related to human sentient existence. You know, cognitive science kinds of stuff — 3017amenIt seems either you are unwilling or unable to answer a simple question. Do you understand the words? — tim wood
What is your point? — tim wood
Your wife is right,you are wrong,your thermometer is not the judge. — Zenny
Your posts and assertions show you value dialectic over intuition. — Zenny
And again, as was noted, no one questions this. But it is not his existence that matters, is it.Alternatively, in Christianity, the historical Jesus existed. — 3017amen
This was answered exactly.Do you want to defend Atheism based on cosmology, cognitive science (consciousness) , phenomenology, metaphysics, or... ? Let me know which means/method — 3017amen
And no one argues for atheism.you want to argue for Atheism — 3017amen
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