No, you're again not able to read English. Keep trying. Read the posts again and try to figure out where you went wrong. — Baden
Nobody is justified in targeting civilians, either overtly (Hamas) — Baden
Don't worry, you'll get there. What is that a condemnation of, specifically? — Baden
Yes, targeting civilians.. — schopenhauer1
Yes, Baden thinks Hamas/Palestinians are equally unjustified (even if they have fewer weapons/power). — schopenhauer1
Now, is this conclusion, as it is phrased, general or specific in terms of the target of the violence? — Baden
Yes, targeting civilians.. So as long as its military force its a-ok. Got it. So not violence in general, only towards military targets.. And I would guess if Israel acted (for parity) you would say the only legitimate action would be targeting Hamas fighters (assuming Israel is simply trying to get rid of the threat at hand and not solve the whole crisis which is a much bigger issue than the violence happening on the ground). But I put a lot in there, so you can parse away. — schopenhauer1
It's hard to think of a group that Westerners care more about being killed than the Palestinians actually, aside from other Westerners in wealthy nations. It's a high profile conflict that has been given the weight of the Culture War.
The recent war in Armenia and the ongoing war in Ukraine is killing more people, and white people at that, and it isn't particularly interesting to Western audiences. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Specific, — schopenhauer1
Incorrect. The correct answer is "general", which is why it was wrong in a very obvious way. The specific stuff you wrote later. — Baden
That's how I was thinking you were getting at. — schopenhauer1
"That's what I was thinking you were getting at"?
Are you using your phone and getting auto-corrected or English is not your native language or what? Serious question. — Baden
NO I just like to get my reply out without editing. I go back and edit later. — schopenhauer1
No, yes, no, sometimes, no. Good night. — Baden
(Those are my answers to your original edited post btw). — Baden
Would you all agree that with this then?
Hamas/Palestinian fighters who use violent means to get their ends are unjustified? — schopenhauer1
are you willing to say that the Palestinians should use other options than violence or would you similarly use the defense "But this is justified for X". — schopenhauer1
IF Israel is unjustified using violence.
IS Palestine unjustified using violence? — schopenhauer1
If Palestine is justified because they don't have as many weapons or whatnot. Is it always the case then that,
IF a country has less weapons than another country, they are allowed to use whatever means to get their ends? — schopenhauer1
Trying to align it.. Correct me when you're rested.
Would you all agree that with this then?
Hamas/Palestinian fighters who use violent means to get their ends are unjustified?
— schopenhauer1
Baden: No — schopenhauer1
are you willing to say that the Palestinians should use other options than violence or would you similarly use the defense "But this is justified for X".
— schopenhauer1
Baden: Yes — schopenhauer1
If this is the case, are you of the mind that Hamas/Palestinians are justified (the means) to do whatever it takes to get their ends (suicide bombing, sending missiles to civilian territories, stabbings, shootings, or whatever it is)?
Baden: No. — schopenhauer1
IF Israel is unjustified using violence.
IS Palestine unjustified using violence?
— schopenhauer1
Baden: Sometimes — schopenhauer1
If Palestine is justified because they don't have as many weapons or whatnot. Is it always the case then that,
IF a country has less weapons than another country, they are allowed to use whatever means to get their ends?
— schopenhauer1
Baden: No.. — schopenhauer1
In an imaginary world where all Palestinian factions decided 1967 borders were acceptable and right of return was stricken from the table, do you think Israelis would even vote for it? — schopenhauer1
Also, just wondering, besides "spoils of war" was there an initial reason for the settlements? I do know the ultra-orthodox tend to want control of that area because it aligns more with the ancient Judean kingdom/province, so has Biblical and historical significance. — schopenhauer1
Yes, and we've already been there with the 2000 Camp David Accords. The Israelis offered that and Arafat rejected. — BitconnectCarlos
And the idea that the Israelis are magnanimous for returning land that they stole is the typical Orwellian turn that should be resisted. — Benkei
Please explain to me e.g. why an Arab massacre perpetrated against the Jews in 1941 in Iraq doesn't matter in this. Is it because Israel wasn't a state? Tell that the Jews. — BitconnectCarlos
No, they stole our land. — BitconnectCarlos
No, they stole our land. — BitconnectCarlos
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