Hey thanks for bringing that up! I had forgotten that crap. I work for the same outfit now as I did then. Then it was mandated that I get that vaccine or lose my job. I needed the money as my kids were young, so Daddy stepped up and did as directed. In a nutshell, that sucked royally. Now they aren't mandating this vaccine as they did the H1N1 vaccine. Likely because a full third of the staff would go home, and hospitals can't run on 2/3 of staff for any length of time. They assured us it was safe then, much the same as this vaccine. All full of doom and gloom then too. And a whole lot of not much was the result. — Book273
There ya go! Restrict all them anti-vaxers! They are evil bastards that won't listen to what we want! Damn all those who will not obey! — Book273
It is unfortunate that humans appear to be truly unable to accept each other's choices without railing against them. — Book273
being vaccinated does not prevent catching Covid, or prevent spreading Covid eh. It reduces the severity of the illness, and may reduce transmission — Book273
So the vaccine has unknown long term side effects — Book273
decreases transmission (lets just go with it) but does not prevent it — Book273
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. — Christoffer
Suppose each flight had a bouncer, like in a night club? If one raises a stink about a mask, the pilot sends back this 300 pound NFL linebacker Mr. Muscle Dude to discuss it. — Foghorn
You do not know the long term effects of it, no one does, not even those that make it. — Book273
History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they if do occur, they usually happen within the first two months.
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COVID-19 vaccine technologies have been studied for years and used in other treatments without issue.
We also don't know the long term effects of Covid. — Book273
The mask thing for airlines I am fine with. You want to fly, you play by their rules. Fair enough. — Book273
I like Florida's position: $5000.00 fine for any business requiring vaccination information from customers. Just awesome. — Book273
Any evidence that contradicts your position you deem irrelevant. Just pathetic. — Book273
We know in the short term it can cause sickness, hospitalisations, and deaths – at a rate higher than any known side effects from the vaccine. — Michael
worse than anything ever reported about the vaccines — Christoffer
Come to my country and you need to have your yellow fever vaccine. Sure, it's your country. — Book273
Want to buy a cheeseburger, show me your vaccine history: WTF? — Book273
life isn't safe eh. We all die. Adjust. — Book273
A lot of us that work in healthcare don't, no matter how much that may shock you. At the end of the day I am very glad you don't make the rules I have to live by. — Book273
So far. Give it a few years eh. Let me know then. — Book273
By the same logic why are people not against alcohol and cigarettes in public? — Trinidad
In fact people drink together in pubs! And cigarettes are only disallowed in confined spaces. — Trinidad
But this is not true. The Astra Zenica vaccine had extremely minor risks of blood clots and it was pulled instantly in most nations in order to evaluate further if it's safe or not. — Christoffer
Firstly, Ivermectin is not a new medicine; according to the information I have it has been around for forty years, and is considered one of the safest medications. — Janus
You are suggesting the unvaccinated to stay home?
Yet drinkers and smokers do go out together and congregate together. People can decide themselves about the alleged risks of certain activities. — Trinidad
I will be Frank. You are a scaremongerer.
You have swallowed the government and media narratives to a tee. — Trinidad
Answer me this,in what previous time did we ever social distance or wear masks to prevent colds? — Trinidad
I'm talking about persons.A person is not a statistic.
— baker
The safety of the vaccine though is. — Fooloso4
In that case, for a particular person, the probabilities can only be calculated theoretically, not empirically. Which makes for a lot less optimistic numbers.For the person who ends up with bad side effects, it does not matter if they are in the statistical minority.
— baker
All drugs potentially have bad side effects. It is a matter of risk/benefit analysis.
Always blame the person, eh?That is not the way medicine works.
Then why talk about it this way, as if it does work that way?
— baker
You have misunderstood what it means for a drug to be safe and effective.
What do you mean?Still, medical lays are being fooled by the medical system there is such a thing as "informed consent".
— baker
Informed consent is not all or nothing. — Fooloso4
I'm talking about the discriminatory practices that are already taking place: such as being required to get vaccinated, or else get fired. The foundation of such discriminatory practices would need to be legalized, but it isn't.then why not have them decide about medications, including experimental ones?
— baker
This is all regulated by agencies such as the FDA.
Political considerations include such things as freedom and compliance.
It doesn't matter. As long as it is possible that one ends up with a stroke and paralyzed and homeless after getting vaccinated, this is all that matters to one.You state this as if it is a fact. It is not. How effective it is at preventing the spread of the virus is still under review. One thing is clear, where vaccination rates are high covid rates have decreased significantly. — Fooloso4
You probably wouldn't understand. Those who sign a blank check for an amount up to and including their lives don't always pretend to know better than those they are willing to follow. You can end up getting killed in a righteous war against Nazis, or you can end up getting killed in some BS war for the MIC or oil or whatever. The sacrifice and the honor is in the signing; not in the motives of those who send you. You don't get to decide policy. Once signed, you let people like Baker protest the war in the rear with the gear and say things like "war is dangerous."
I chose to follow the advice of people and institutions who I trust know more than "Baker" on the internet. After all, Baker hasn't devoted his life to the study of infectious diseases, vaccines, and this new product. Instead, he/she reads shit, tries to make him/herself informed, and ends up thinking he/she knows better.
People like Baker seem to think they are entitled to 100% safety guarantees in life. I imagine they spend a great deal of time hiding under the bed. — James Riley
Who's advocating that?but choosing to refuse a vaccine and then socialize normally during a pandemic is a reckless act. — Christoffer
You are comfortable rolling up your sleeve for the vaccine, good for you.
— Book273
So are millions of others. I guess they are all idiots in your eyes. — Christoffer
That people get confused about what moral rights to have when A) affecting yourself, compared to B) affecting others, is pretty mind-blowing. You affect yourself, fine, do whatever - affect others, get in line and follow the law, restrictions, and rules of society. That's what society is. Anyone who thinks they are above society and doesn't need to follow what is collectively agreed on is either fine to move somewhere else, isolate themselves, or face the consequences of breaking against these things.
It's like the most basic form of ethical logic here, and I don't understand how on a philosophy forum this logic is misunderstood or downright not getting through the skull of some. — Christoffer
No no no. If you're so eager to talk about risks and probabilities, then you need to present the above claims in terms of probabilities, so that we get the full picture.Not taking the vaccine will put a strain on communities with a lot of people in close proximity. Whatever the consequences of the vaccine, it helps fight the virus. — Christoffer
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