One's sex is constitutively determined by sets of physical features. — Bartricks
Most trans people do not pass — Andrew4Handel
B) Subjectivism about sex
One's sex is constitutively determined by subjective features (one's attitudes etc). — Bartricks
In the definitive sense:In what sense is it anecdotal? — Andrew4Handel
anecdotal
1. (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research
https://www.oxfordify.com/meaning/anecdotal
That doesn't sound very scientific to me. Using your eyes and ears to tell you how reality works is what nearly everyone does. Also, scientists don't tend to go around declaring whose eyes and ears they are going to trust and whose eyes and ears they are going to distrust.I have survived 45 years using my ears and eyes to tell me how reality works. I am not going to distrust my senses based on someone else's self i.d. in their mind. — Andrew4Handel
Given you have opened this thread talking about science, what does the science say?I thought gender dysphoria was a mental illness now we are told it's not — Andrew4Handel
I've worked with trans children — Banno
That doesn't sound very scientific to me. Using your eyes and ears to tell you how reality works is what nearly everyone does — InPitzotl
Or if you prefer, suck it up and mind your own business. — Banno
It us not a distinction it is a case of natural and artificial — Andrew4Handel
double mastectomy is not a a breast reduction. It is breast annihilation and when performed on young women can lead to chronic pain in later life. Hysterectomies increase the risk of Alzheimer's, heart attacks and osteoporosis. — Andrew4Handel
The only reason trans surgeries are seen as life saving is because they are seen to prevent suicides but little to none of the literature supports that. — Andrew4Handel
Most of the Iranian transsexuals are and most detransitioned women are lesbians. — Andrew4Handel
What moral principle is violated by allowing these decisions to be made by adults without your two cents — Hanover
B) Subjectivism about sex
One's sex is constitutively determined by subjective features (one's attitudes etc).
— Bartricks
That is sex stereotypes which is the foundation of transgenderism. It is about conforming to stereotypes to feel comfortable. Many women now wear trousers but if you go on reddit trans sub reddit's most of the men identifying as women wear skirts and say how great it feels.
They don't say anything that reminds me of my three sisters and their experiences as being women. It just comes of as a fetish. — Andrew4Handel
You then use as evidence that most trans are gay t — Hanover
Undermining women's rights, women's sports, gay erasure and genital mutilation, medication of children is everyone's business I am not selfish enough to think otherwise. — Andrew4Handel
you seem to be saying that position B is essentially sexist. Would that be correct? — Bartricks
Science does not rely on anecdotes.Science has to assume that some human faculties are accurate., — Andrew4Handel
Yes, I'm seriously claiming I cannot always tell.Are you seriously claiming you cannot identify who is male and female. — Andrew4Handel
Okay, but that does not entail that science has to rely on anecdotes, nor does it suffice to show that anecdotal evidence is scientific. Neither of those things are true.The start of categorisation of entities is based on the reliability of the human senses. — Andrew4Handel
I crossed out the superfluous part. To the best of my knowledge, there's no ethical current technology to produce a human offspring without involving a male and a female, though there are potential unethical technologies. But this is simply factual; there's nothing normative here.Science showsand every day experiencethat only a man and woman can produce a children. — Andrew4Handel
"insane dystopia" is a political term. As for the science, there's no scientific theory I'm aware of that states that it is impossible to give a woman such a penis. The absolute best you can say is that there's no extant technology to pull this off.They have yet to create the insane dystopia of trying to give a woman a penis implant and implant a womb in a man. — Andrew4Handel
And not clever enough to phrase the problem in a considered, respectful way. — Banno
think that cosmetic surgery which is self harm in many cases is a concern because it is self harm. I am not pro suicide or pro self harm. — Andrew4Handel
moral principle based on self indulgence (that is how it is nowadays) is narcissism and solipsism writ large and does not promote anyone's welfare other than ones own self ID. It is not a foundation for community/society. — Andrew4Handel
Can you give me one HEALTHY reason for rejecting ones biological sex? — Andrew4Handel
Okay, but that does not entail that science has to rely on anecdotes, — InPitzotl
It is by definition an anecdote. I gave you the definition. What part of that definition does not apply?Being able to identify a male form a female is not an anecdote and if you claim so you are just outright lying about reality. — Andrew4Handel
If a trans person is happy with the results, it isn't harm. — Hanover
But there is little evidence that reassignment surgery causes happiness. It does not end dysphoria — Andrew4Handel
In the definitive sense:
anecdotal
1. (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research — InPitzotl
Leave them be. — frank
Leave the wealthy surgeons to chop of healthy breasts and penises to fund their children's college education? This is a societal issue — Andrew4Handel
It is reality denying. It is unscientific. It prioritises peoples mental states over reality. We don't apply this "logic" in many areas of life. — Andrew4Handel
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