[...] but it just demonstrates that dualism is necessary in order to properly understand the existence of individual entities. — Metaphysician Undercover
I have to admit that I didn't understand your argument for identity from purpose. — Metaphysician Undercover
I don't see this as an argument for identity, I see it as a way of defining a term. You say that an object must fulfill certain conditions before it can be called a flower, so this is to define what it means to be a flower. But I understand the act of identifying to be the inverse of this. Rather than saying what it means to be a flower (that is defining rather than identifying), we take a particular object and say what the object is, that is identifying. — Metaphysician Undercover
So from my perspective, why do you think that your definition of "flower" is more "real", or states more precisely what a flower really is than another definition? If objects don't have a real identity which is proper to themselves, how is our naming of them anything more than arbitrary? — Metaphysician Undercover
There is experience and then there is thought about experience. — John
But that's what I'm answering! What makes it the same chair is simply whether we (individually) consider it the same chair per our concepts. In other words, in my view, that's all there is to this. — Terrapin Station
It makes no difference whether the entity fulfills any necessary conditions for being a chair, — Metaphysician Undercover
It's the same thing for "that particular chair" at time T1 and T2. That functions as a type term in that situation. It's one term ranging over more than one particular from a logical identity perspective. — Terrapin Station
It makes a difference whether it meets the necessary and sufficient conditions for counting as "that particular chair" to the individual in question. That's all this is about--whether it meets an individual's criteria for bestowal of the name "that chair." — Terrapin Station
What is claimed, i.e. intended, and therefore meant, by this statement, is that it is the very same thing, not that there are two instances of the same type of thing. — Metaphysician Undercover
So, if I am sitting at my desk and before me is a red bottle and I think "I am looking at a red bottle" I can be wrong that I am looking at a red bottle (however unlikely that might be!) — John
but if my thought is " I am looking at what appears to be a red bottle" then that thought can't be wrong, because it is really a thought about thinking it is a red bottle, not about the fact that it is a red bottle. — John
However a moment later I could be wrong that I had, a moment ago been looking at a red bottle, or even what appeared to be a red bottle, and I could even be wrong that I had had the thought " I am looking at what appears to be a red bottle". — John
but simply because we just dispositionally have absolutely no doubt about the verity of our memories, and the accuracy of our corroborative perceptual faculties and our intuitive introspective prowess. — John
Correct, hence why present matters. — Terrapin Station
Maybe you have no doubts about those things but I certainly do. My memory often sucks, my vision and hearing have problems, etc. — Terrapin Station
Yes, but looked at logically everything we think about is no longer present — John
What you're thinking about there is perception and memory. What I'm talking about is thought itself, not what it's about re perception or memory. (I'm using "thought" very broadly.) — Terrapin Station
By the way, and this has been going on for a long time, for some weird reason, most of the time when you reply to me (by literally clicking on reply or quote) I don't get a notification that you replied. That seems to mainly happen with you, not when other people reply to me. — Terrapin Station
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