Yes, there were other reasons than just the political risk of spilling too many beans. — Olivier5
We philosophers leave such behaviors to MAGA capped trolls. — Olivier5
Blaming it on Descartes is what sophisticated thinkers do. — Olivier5
a sad relic of Cartesianism — Olivier5
The Good is a meta-principle that explains the function of other, subordinate principles as part of a harmonious whole, i.e., how they all fit together to form a functioning, ordered system. — Apollodorus
So I thought I must take refuge in discussions and investigate the truth of beings by means of accounts [logoi] … On each occasion I put down as hypothesis whatever account I judge to be mightiest (Phaedo 100a)
... I simply, naively and perhaps foolishly cling to this, that nothing else makes it beautiful other than the presence of, or the sharing in, or however you may describe its relationship to that Beautiful we mentioned, for I will not insist on the precise nature of the relationship, but that all beautiful things are beautiful by the Beautiful. That, I think, is the safest answer I can give myself or anyone else.” (100e)
Then the good is not the cause of everything, rather it is the cause of the things that are in a good way, while it is not responsible for the bad things. (Republic 379b)
A principle is an assumption, an hypothesis. — Fooloso4
Then the good is not the cause of everything, rather it is the cause of the things that are in a good way, while it is not responsible for the bad things. (Republic 379b) — Fooloso4
As already stated, all knowledge and all objects of knowledge are emanations of the Good. — Apollodorus
Of course there is no need for the Good "to be responsible for the bad things". — Apollodorus
As explained by Plotinus — Apollodorus
What you fail to understand is that the dialogues are just brief sketches, not encyclopedic works. — Apollodorus
use your reasoning faculty — Apollodorus
don't expect to be spoonfed. — Apollodorus
Apparently, you do not see that this is exactly what is happening. You take statements at face value and go no further, as if the truth has been revealed. It is said and thus it is. Fine for revealed religion but not for philosophy. — Fooloso4
Funny how you rejected mention of Leibniz, but now that you think he supports your argument you appeal to him. — Fooloso4
Don't you notice how great is the harm coming from the practice of dialectic these days?
I can quote your own statements anytime should you wish me to do so. — Apollodorus
I can quote your own statements anytime should you wish me to do so.
— Apollodorus
Yes, please do and don't leave anything out, including your own statements.
— Fooloso4
Do you need more time? I'm not surprised. It takes a very long time to find something that is not there. — Fooloso4
Anyway, as I said, I think you deliberately misunderstood Socrates' analogy. — Apollodorus
Dialectic is only dangerous when reason is used incorrectly and out of sync with the nous/truth/Good.
There is nothing contradictory there. — Apollodorus
But a way of life necessitates some form of intellectual framework that guides us in everyday life. — Apollodorus
This is what Plato presents in the dialogues. — Apollodorus
as long as it is sufficiently clear to provide a form of guidance on the basis of which we can live our lives both outwardly and inwardly. — Apollodorus
You misrepresent what I say, claim you can quote where I said it, and when you are called out just pretend you never said it. — Fooloso4
Totally untrue. I never "rejected mention of Leibniz" at all. I rejected your preposterous claim that according to Leibniz Plato was a covert atheist as were Ibn Sina, Clement of Alexandria, and Plato himself.
I can quote your own statements anytime should you wish me to do so. — Apollodorus
Yes, please do and don't leave anything out, including your own statements. — Fooloso4
all this bluster and noise provides a good cover by which you can avoid the substantive issues such as those raised in my last post regarding dialectic and Socratic philosophy. — Fooloso4
What Socrates is saying is that in the same way we avoid looking directly at the Sun and look at its reflection in water, etc., we must avoid looking directly at the Good and start by looking at the objects of knowledge and the reasoning faculty whereby we know them.
The purpose of philosophical thought is to train the reasoning faculty to operate in harmony with the intuitive faculty and thus in harmony with truth and the Good. — Apollodorus
I have conclusively shown that Socrates' dialectic is sound and is quite capable of producing valid knowledge when correctly understood and applied — Apollodorus
You even claimed to have correctly understood Socrates' analogy of the Sun. — Apollodorus
And yet you are saying that dialectic is "dangerous" — Apollodorus
Plato's concept of the Good is "foolish" — Apollodorus
Please quote where I said that. — Fooloso4
If the whole includes bad things then the Good cannot be the cause or the explanation of the whole.
As an explanation it is, as he says, naive and perhaps foolish — Fooloso4
It was a book I had just picked up ... — Apollodorus
So, I'm afraid you are clutching at straws there. — Apollodorus
You object to being associated with the author of the book you touted, but can't seem to see that it is by a similar association you dismiss not only Strauss but generations of scholars who learned from him. — Fooloso4
But Strauss's ideas were very controversial from the start. — Apollodorus
He didn't demonstrate that Plato was an atheist and neither have you. — Apollodorus
Of course he did not demonstrate that! — Fooloso4
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