The Antichrist comes across as psychology. Proto-Jungian. He wants to analyze the Savior type. He's not psychoanalyzing Jesus, but a type of idealism. He's explaining how idealism emerges out of human life. — frank
If we can agree that he is analyzing idealism (whose? what form? — Antony Nickles
than what is it that goes wrong with this "emergence"? — Antony Nickles
The world with which we are concerned is false, i.e., is not fact but fable and approximation on the basis of a meager sum of observations; it is "in flux," as something in a state of becoming, as a falsehood always changing but never getting near the truth: for--there is no "truth" (Nietzsche 1901/1967 Will to Power) — Joshs
“…the origin of the emergence of a thing and its ultimate usefulness, its practical application and incorporation into a system of ends, are toto coelo separate; that anything in existence, having somehow come about, is continually interpreted anew, requisitioned anew, transformed and redirected to a new purpose by a power superior to it; that everything that occurs in the organic world consists of overpowering, dominating, and in their turn overpowering and dominating consist of re-interpretation, adjustment, in the process of which their former ‘meaning' and ‘purpose' must necessarily be obscured or completely obliterated. — Joshs
people down the ages have believed that the obvious purpose of a thing, its utility, form and shape, are its reason for existence, the eye is made to see, the hand to grasp. So people think punishment has evolved for the purpose of punishing. But every purpose and use is just a sign that the will to power has achieved mastery over something less powerful, and has impressed upon it its own idea [Sinn] of a use function; and the whole history of a ‘thing', an organ, a tradition can to this extent be a continuous chain of signs, continually revealing new interpretation and adaptations, the causes of which need not be connected even amongst themselves, but rather sometimes just follow and replace one another at random.” (Genealogy of Morality) — Joshs
"than what is it that goes wrong with [human life such that idealism emerges]?"
— Antony Nickles
He's saying it becomes a sort of cultural suicidal state. — frank
Cool post, thanks.
In the Antichrist, N treats a god as a sign of how people see themselves.
The issue about the weak is like:. two kids are playing in a playground, being watched by parents.
Both kids fall and stub their knees. One mom doesn't respond, so the kid gets up after crying for a while and moves on. The other mom exclaims and runs over to comfort her child.
N would say the second child has become the victim of pity. Instead of seeing injury and pain as part of life, he picks up on his mother's angst and comes to fear and condemn injury. — frank
My logic is undeniable. — V.I.K.I (I, Robot)
If our guidance is changing, in flux, and becoming, then we are getting near and approximating; bettering, perfecting. Maybe this time with a greater attention to observation, and with this knowledge that we will never be perfect and timeless. — Antony Nickles
is pulling out the carpet really the point?So are we left without 'forms' or 'things'? without morals, rules, words? — Antony Nickles
Our desire for the ideal, kills us. We set aside the thing-in-itself because we can not have it on our terms. In our weakness we destroy our world because we can't know it with certainty, and give ourselves the pity of our own reason. It is the humanization of epistimology. — Antony Nickles
Are you talking about perfection as the thing in itself , as an asymptotic ideal? — Joshs
Post-structuralism , deconstruction and Will to Power don’t eliminate structures — Joshs
When our desire is for the ideal , even when we set aside aside the thing-in-itself we are still presupposing it. — Joshs
he is showing us that we do (together/each) have interests and desires. In seeing that now (reflected in our moralism), I/we aim to do/be better. This is beyond the argument of grounded or not grounded; absolute or relative; goals, utility, ought. — Antony Nickles
Maybe you could elaborate what doing or being better means in the context of the contingency of values. What is an aim to do better outside of goals, utility, ought? What is an interest or desire if not normative , goal-oriented , anticipatory? — Joshs
Maybe you could elaborate what doing or being better means in the context of the contingency of values. — Joshs
Being is becoming... overcoming... over man. Joy is the feeling of 'increase' in power, — ChatteringMonkey
it's the journey not the destination that matters. — ChatteringMonkey
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