You can be pro-transsexual in every way possible and still be against transition surgeries. — Hanover
Strictly speaking within the current professional vocabulary (as part of psychology and in the Netherlands at least) you can be pro-transgender and against transitioning. Pro-transsexuality is specifically about changing sex. — Benkei
How is it possible.
It isn't from a scientific perspective. How has it become so accepted as a concept? — Andrew4Handel
Before the discovery of hormones and extensive advances in plastic surgery there was no way to live other than in the body you were born in. There is no evidence of mass trans suicides before they could get surgery and hormones. — Andrew4Handel
Transsexualism isn't really used anymore, because the feeling of gender dysphoria has little to do with (biological) sex according to her. — Benkei
That's a confusing statement. Gender dysphoria means that your internal gender identification is opposite from yourphysical genderanatomical/biological sex. You're saying that has little to do with biological sex, but I can't see how we can subtract out the biological sex element from the gender dysphoria equation, considering having a mental state inconsistent with biological sex defines dysphoria. — Hanover
There's no evidence that it didn't happen either. There's also very little evidence of them since the little that is known about transgender people before modern times showed that they were most often killed and forced to comply with society — Christoffer
Contrapoints. (..) Philosophy Tube with Olly who just transitioned to Abigail — Christoffer
Ok, we can agree on that much that wanting others to suffer is morally wrong.
Do you acknowledge that transgender folk alleviate their own suffering by their actions? — Cheshire
^A real life situation where a black woman along with other women encounter a transwoman with a penis in a spa changing room and start complaining to management.
I feel really bad for that receptionist because you know it's not her who makes the rules here. In any case, the moment you pull the "we're protecting little girls" line it's no longer an argument, it's an order. Can anyone honestly watch that video and tell me that they'd do any better than the white man who tries to confront the anti-trans black woman? The message is clear: Some portion of women want trans women out of their intimate spaces, and we need to balance acceptance for trans folk against concerns like the one made in the video.
I can't help but think that as a man I'm entitled to less of an opinion on this issue than a woman.
Can anyone tell me the correct philosophical response to: "You're traumatizing my little girls." — BitconnectCarlos
I can't help but think that as a man I'm entitled to less of an opinion on this issue than a woman. — BitconnectCarlos
Why? The issue effects you as well. If transwomen (whether with or without a penis) are not allowed in women's changing rooms then they'll be in men's changing rooms. And transmen (whether with or without a vagina) want to use men's changing rooms. — Michael
And if little girls and boys can get traumatised from just seeing genitalia maybe people need to reconsider what they are teaching kids about sex in the first place. Especially in a spa, which tend to be mixed in the Netherlands anyways, nakedness isn't sexual. I suppose if you're an upstuck Jesus freak this sort of thing will scar you for life but we can squarely blame the parents for that. — Benkei
Can anyone tell me the correct philosophical response to: "You're traumatizing my little girls." — BitconnectCarlos
Then the problem is Judeo-Christian morality, but good luck convincing America of that. What is the replacement value system here, by the way? Do we know of an alternative framework we should be shifting to here? — BitconnectCarlos
What is the obsession over feeling like we NEED to distinguish human sex? (Other than knowledge of anatomy for medical purposes) — GTTRPNK
What is the obsession over feeling like we NEED to distinguish human sex? — GTTRPNK
Chromosomal sex is not the entirety of sex. There’s also hormonal sex and anatomical sex. If anything, anatomical sex is the original referent of the word, from before we knew anything about hormones or chromosomes. And there are some people naturally born with a chromosomal sex that differs from their hormonal or anatomical sex (women AFAB but with XY chromosomes), and everyone has always referred to them by their anatomical sex (as we usually don’t know anything but anatomical sex about anyone).
Hormonal and genital sex can be changed already, and it’s only a matter of time before chromosomal sex can be changed too (hello CRISPR). — Pfhorrest
Still overly concerned as to the contents of other folk's underwear, I see.
Odd. — Banno
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