And none of that requires, or involves, the 'roles' of 'subject and object'. Roles require actors, and chemical substances are not actors - well, not unless you want to argue for panpsychism. — Wayfarer
a map stores information about the territory in a smaller amount of space. — Pfhorrest
Now my challenge to you is to make sense of the map-territory relationship in monist language. — Olivier5
The mind itself can be seen as a geographer, drawing upon a collection of mental maps, constantly updated. — Olivier5
It stands to reason that they are written down on neurons. — Olivier5
What is the gender of a table? — Pfhorrest
Physical things have different properties than other physical things, but they’re still all physical properties, so pointing out properties that some things have and others don’t doesn’t establish the need for ontologically different kinds of properties. — Pfhorrest
Then what use is the term, "physical" if it doesn't distinguish from something else?Physical things have different properties than other physical things, but they’re still all physical properties — Pfhorrest
Well, that all depends on how we define, "property".so pointing out properties that some things have and others don’t doesn’t establish the need for ontologically different kinds of properties. — Pfhorrest
Beside, a map can be printed on many copies, each of which is a different material thing, but the map itself is one. It's the same map on all copies. — Olivier5
The neurons that represented the smell of an apple in May and those that represented the same smell in June were as different from each other as those that represent the smells of apples and grass at any one time.
that article shows that even for simple stimulus and response, there’s no 1:1 correlation between particular regions of the mouse brain and the response to the stimulus. — Wayfarer
questioning the idea that neurons ‘represent’ ideas or that ‘ideas’ are ‘written’ on them. — Wayfarer
It's no different to saying two people have the same hairstyle. We're not saying they literally have every single hair in the same place, just similar enough for our purposes. — Isaac
Ideas may be written on paper too, no? If I copy the idea from one page and then destroy the original, have I not preserved the idea? — Isaac
but what is preserved is an idea, information, a story. It can be represented in a variety of media and many different languages or systems, including binary code. But the idea stays the same — Wayfarer
I am questioning the idea that neurons ‘represent’ ideas or that ‘ideas’ are ‘written’ on them. There’s something like a mixed metaphor at work here. ‘ — Wayfarer
If your article is correct, which it probably is (and brain plasticity in general is well established), it follows that ideas exist in some 'mental space', and that they are written down on neurons but not written forever, only they are written and rewritten and rewritten, always slightly differently, and (maybe) our ideas evolve as a result of this constant rewriting. — Olivier5
I cannot unravel a true logical contradiction as it’s been phrased and it’s why the interaction problem remains unsolved for many hundred years. The way out of a definitional contradiction necessarily involves clarification of definitions.
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