And so many fucking likes!!For something about which no fucks are given, this topic attracts a lot of posts. — Banno
I suppose people need to use their time and energy somehow. And since they don't spend their days toiling under the sun (literally), they focus on other things. And living packed together like sardines like they do, they focus on things like correct gender pronouns ...Oh I definitely give a fuck about the loss of focus. The shift in the 'big issues' of the day from third-world poverty to first-world individualism is literally killing people. I just don't give a fuck about being misgendered. — Isaac
The simple fact of the matter is this: Just because someone doesn't use a preferred pronoun, even after they've been told repeatedly, does not mean they are fucking with you, or they don't like you, or they think you can't be that way. It could be that they just don't care enough about you to make a mental note. If the perpetrator of "genocide" wants to engage the person then the burden is on him to work some courtesy into his/her/it's communication. But if the "victim" is the one making contact, they should go some where else if they don't like what they are getting. When they go, they should not fall into the trap they eschew by speculating about motivation. If they want to know, ask. — James Riley
One of the reasons "boomers" ignore you is that we have been around the block a few times and find many of you "gender specialists" inordinately self-involved. "Sexual identity" is a new issue for you, but is not a new issue historically. Lots of people have dealt with it more and less productively over the last century. — Bitter Crank
That said, fully in favour of a switch to generic genderless pronouns, which has been pushed for for decades and affects a much higher percentage of people. I tend to oscillate between "they", "he or she", or just "she" as a counter. "They" is clearly superior; I should stick with that. No doubt it'll annoy a tiny minority of people again who either want a personal pronoun or are militantly cis, but I object to the assertion that I should care. — Kenosha Kid
What happened? Women in prison were raped by men who identified themselves as women — baker
So this is specifically about those "people who claim to be in support of the LGBTQIA+", but who don't get the pronouns right? — baker
It's a cautionary tale of what can happen if people's own ideas about their gender identity are given primacy. — baker
Again, comparing this to proper names is comparing apples to oranges. Its more like you're white but tell people you're black and you get annoyed that they keep calling you white. — Harry Hindu
You have no idea what you're talking about. Names are given at birth, or even before, when the sex of the baby is known. Only after the sex of the baby is known is when it is genderized (ways of expecting and enforcing certain behaviors) - based on the sex.Actually it's closer to proper names considering they often carry an implied gender. You might be right , but not for this reason. — Cheshire
So why should a transgender get annoyed if someone uses pronouns referring to their sex and not their gender?If gender and sex are different things then how do you know if others are referring to your sex or gender when using pronouns?
— Harry Hindu
Context. If you are trying to stack people neatly then it's sex. — Cheshire
This is exaclty the type of comment one would expect from those that see this issue through the prism of politics and not metaphysics. The metaphysics of this issue needs to be resolved and asking questions about how a man can claim to be a woman, and vice versa, and what that really means, etc. is how we go about that. Most people here just want to treat transgenders like the prophets of a new religion and simply accept whatever they say at face value. I thought part of practicing philosophy is asking valid questions and not simply accepting claims because it would offend the claimant if you did question their claim.The entire issue simply makes conservative men uncomfortable and is being leveraged politically to divide society. No one cared until they legalized gay marriage and needed a new point of leverage. The whole matter is under false context of causing anyone confusion or the sudden importance of women's sports. You know what they make in the WNBA? — Cheshire
This is exaclty the type of comment one would expect from those that see this issue through the prism of politics and not metaphysics. The metaphysics of this issue needs to be resolved and asking questions about how a man can claim to be a woman, and vice versa, and what that really means, etc. is how we go about that. — Harry Hindu
There are facts about a person; either they have Jewish ancestry/ heritage, or they do not. But this does not amount to an identity. Identity is not a matter of fact, but of judgement. — unenlightened
Similarly, there is little point in claiming to be Jewish if the relevant authorities refuse to recognise the claim, and let you into whatever club or privilege is associated. — unenlightened
Is there a legitimate, philosophical reason for one to use the incorrect pronouns? (Excluding cases where someone's safety may be in danger.) — Bradaction
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.