Indeed, but their society obscures spiritual aspects from coming under consideration in how words related to sex are used. Us individuals don't just pop into being out of nowhere - we are created and molded by our society, and hence our stupidities, more often than not, end up being the stupidities of our own society. It's just a fact - I mean you went to school right? It was popular for folks to talk about sex, probably much more popular than 1000 ago, and much more openly. Now why was it popular? Wasn't it because the surrounding culture made it "cool" - a sign of prestige? If we had been born and lived 1000 years ago, we wouldn't have encountered this, and it would a priori seem unnatural to us, just as the world 1000 years ago a priori seems unnatural to us today.I suppose that that's a sort of half-joke, so I'll take it half-seriously. They're just doing what comes naturally, which is to use words how they're commonly used in their community. There's nothing stupid about that in and of itself. — Sapientia
Yes I agree they were right, that's what I'm saying. She was wrong to claim she's a virgin despite doing all those things.They were right to say that she wasn't a virgin. It seems redundant to criticise their semantics from the outside like you are trying to do. There's no internal inconsistency. — Sapientia
...spiritual aspects... — Agustino
Yes I agree they were right, that's what I'm saying. She was wrong to claim she's a virgin despite doing all those things. — Agustino
But, I've decided that it's enough of that. No more. Complete mastery over one-self is the goal now. — Question
I'm not sure what most people mean by those terms, but I know what is commonly meant by those terms, and I've already made what that it is clear in previous comments. — Sapientia
You mean "sexual intercourse"? What does that involve? A penis penetrating a vagina or anus? — Michael
Yes, in at least some cases. What are you getting at? Can you cut to the chase?
I've made clear that I think that one common meaning of "sex" includes penile-vaginal sex and anal sex, but not oral sex. Do you disagree? — Sapientia
Yes, I disagree, as the implication is that lesbians can't have sex with each other, and that all lesbians (who haven't been penetrated by a penis) are virgins. — Michael
That doesn't make what I said false, which is that it is a common meaning. So you don't disagree with what I said, you just disagree with its use. You've made a kind of use-mention error. — Sapientia
When you asked "do you disagree" I assumed you meant "do you disagree with this definition", not "do you disagree that this is the definition that many people use". — Michael
Indeed, but their society obscures spiritual aspects from coming under consideration in how words related to sex are used. Us individuals don't just pop into being out of nowhere - we are created and molded by our society, and hence our stupidities, more often than not, end up being the stupidities of our own society. — Agustino
Vaginal sex — Agustino
masturbation — Agustino
:-} Why do you suppose virginity applies only to women?Virginity makes some sense in a society where either the woman has some sort of 'property value' or where women have been tasked with maintaining a sentimental notion of purity (which doesn't apply to their potential mates). Virginity does not make much sense where women are free of property value and where sentimental ideas of purity are pretty much history. — Bitter Crank
I disagree.The oral sex lady could count herself as a virgin because her psychological investment in both the act and the guy was probably minimal. — Bitter Crank
>:O >:OSo, when President William Jefferson Clinton claimed he did not have sex with that woman, he was speaking the truth as far as he was concerned. Ms. Lewinsky apparently thought they had had some sort of sex. "How else could I have a Presidential semen sample in my closet?" she cried. — Bitter Crank
Why do you suppose virginity applies only to women? — Agustino
The word virgin comes via Old French virgine from the root form of Latin virgo, genitive virgin-is, meaning literally "maiden" or "virgin"—a sexually intact young woman or "sexually inexperienced woman".
LOL - I can't follow that. So what about chastity? Chastity implies virginity prior to marriage. Chastity has frequently been considered a virtue historically. Chastity was certainly not only a female virtue.His point is that the notion of virginity was only a relevant notion when we lived in a society where women were treated as property and where "purity" was such a big thing – times when the sexual experience of men wasn't important. — Michael
LOL - I can't follow that. So what about chastity? Chastity implies virginity prior to marriage. Chastity has frequently been considered a virtue historically. Chastity was certainly not only a female virtue. — Agustino
In terms of their social organisation, and capacity for building a prosperous, expanding civilisation, where culture, learning and virtue flourish. Savages who live in tribes aren't civilised. — Agustino
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