What people where?That same argument also gets made by people that want incest to be legalized and de-stigmatized. — TheHedoMinimalist
If there really are cases of close family members consensually having sex, I don't see a reason to legally regulate it. Typically incest occurs as molestation, so perhaps it's too large a net to illegalize it per se as there might be some honest, loving mother fuckers caught up in the mix who are unnecessarily prosecuted. — Hanover
"In all but two states (and the special case of Ohio, which "targets only parental figures"),[1] incest is criminalized between consenting adults. In New Jersey and Rhode Island, incest between consenting adults (16 or over for Rhode Island, 18 or over for New Jersey) is not a criminal offense, though marriage is not allowed in either state." — Hanover
as rare as incest — TheHedoMinimalist
It seems to be mainly due to respecting the legal history of how an issue has been treated so far in a particular jurisdiction.I don’t understand why we wouldn’t just charge someone that molests his daughter with child molestation(or maybe something like “aggravated child molestation” if you want the punishment to be more severe for incest cases). — TheHedoMinimalist
Bear in mind that new laws tend to be passed as needed, prompted by actual cases and the political momentum for it at the time, not somehow in the abstract in advance. It can so happen that if there are no visible cases of an issue in a country, the country may have few or loose laws about it. This is how there exist legal loopholes. When people try to exploit them (or have successfully exploited them), then, ideally, the government will take steps to remedy the issue and pass new laws that will close the loophole.In the state-wide pilot social experiment currently conducted in the states of Rhode Island and Jew Jersey." — god must be atheist
One argument that gets made against homosexuality is that there isn’t any meaningful difference between homosexuality and incest — TheHedoMinimalist
It's gonna be weird looking across the table eating your Cheerios the next morning, but maybe it was worth it. — Hanover
What could possibly go wrong? — TheMadFool
Overall, I don’t see why we should treat incest any different than we treat homosexuality. I’m sure a lot of you would disagree and I’m wondering if someone can provide some sort of defense for treating homosexuality differently from incest. — TheHedoMinimalist
A man wants his daughter to be beautiful. — TheMadFool
Should incest and/or marriage be allowed or disallowed in such cases? — Apollodorus
Incest has been taboo since prehistory, likely not because of an anti-liberal agenda, but because it leads to unhealthy babies. — Kenosha Kid
But once the unhealthy babies are not an issue, the actual question is, Why rely on legal tradition, why adhere to it? — baker
In reference to this:Why are babies not an issue? — Kenosha Kid
But suppose a person may decide to marry or enter into sexual relations with a close relative that is unlikely to result in children being born, for example, if both partners are of the same sex, beyond a certain age, or otherwise unable or indeed unwilling to conceive or procreate. — Apollodorus
I’m sure a lot of you would disagree and I’m wondering if someone can provide some sort of defense for treating homosexuality differently from incest. — TheHedoMinimalist
they make a point of not procreating — baker
But suppose a person may decide to marry or enter into sexual relations with a close relative that is unlikely to result in children being born, for example, if both partners are of the same sex, beyond a certain age, or otherwise unable or indeed unwilling to conceive or procreate. — Apollodorus
How? If they are homosexual and having sex, they are making a point of not procreating. If they are heterosexual and having sex, and are taking steps to prevent a pregnancy and plan for an abortion should a pregnancy occur, then they are making a point of not procreating.How? If they're having sex, they're not making a point of not procreating. — Kenosha Kid
If they are homosexual close blood relatives having sex, is it incest?If they're not having sex, it isn't incest.
If they are heterosexual and having sex, and are taking steps to prevent a pregnancy and plan for an abortion should a pregnancy occur, then they are making a point of not procreating. — baker
If they are homosexual close blood relatives having sex, is it incest? — baker
Whatever the genetic or anthropological reasons for incest taboo, this is the one that matters to me. — T Clark
Could you explain "matters"? And do you mean you support or oppose the taboo? — Apollodorus
*lol*If you mean using contraception, then no. There's no contraception that leads to no procreation, only less procreation. — Kenosha Kid
By all means, it's the woman who should risk her health and life with hormonal contraceptives and abortions. Because you're so wonderful, so worth dying for.I had a vasectomy*.
* Absolutely not true, DO NOT QUOTE THIS! :rofl:
Then we're at a much more fundamental question: Do we have the right to prohibit anything?A better question imo is: do we have the right to prohibit incest to avoid infant suffering and genome degradation? If so, do we have a right to take babies off smokers and ban gingers from reproducing?
"Hormonal contraceptives are safe and effective." Don't you know you're suposed to chant that mantra? — baker
By all means, it's the woman who should risk her health and life with hormonal contraceptives and abortions. — baker
I would assume there to be more genetic disorders from non-related couples actively trying for a baby, compared to an equal sample of related couples using protection against pregnancy. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Are you implying that Ivanka knows something that we don't? :smile: — Apollodorus
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