Beauty relies on facial symmetry.
Incest causes high probability of facial assymetry.
The offspring of the man with his daughter is his daughter.
Ergo the man should not mate with his daughter. — Kenosha Kid
Incest has been taboo since prehistory, likely not because of an anti-liberal agenda, but because it leads to unhealthy babies. — Kenosha Kid
Oh. So you're the one developing the negative side effects of hormonal contraceptives and having abortions? Good to hear.You really proceed with maximal unjustifiable assumptions, don't you. — Kenosha Kid
It may be a struggle to find the data, but I would assume there to be more genetic disorders from non-related couples actively trying for a baby, compared to an equal sample of related couples using protection against pregnancy. If true, unless one is an antinatalist, this would defeat the principle objection against incest? — Down The Rabbit Hole
But those are not directly caused by the peculiar sex act taking place. Genetic disorders resultant from incest are caused specifically by incest, not luck of the draw. — Kenosha Kid
I speak from hopes! — TheMadFool
From the bottom of my heart, I hope that your daughter-cum-granddaughter is not a total munter. — Kenosha Kid
those trying for a baby get special treatment — Down The Rabbit Hole
I don't know about prehistoric times. I also don't know how you get your information from 5000-plus years ago when there were no recordings of social customs. — god must be atheist
Women over 40 stand an increased chance of having children with birth defects. Does this mean that we should prevent women over 40 from having children? What about women with AIDS, or some genetic defect that could be passed down to the child?There's nothing special about it, it's a general rule: that which you didn't cause is not your fault. If your child has a genetic deficiency due to a fluke mutation, no one is to blame. If they have it due to inbreeding, the inbreds are the cause. — Kenosha Kid
There's nothing special about it, it's a general rule: that which you didn't cause is not your fault. If your child has a genetic deficiency due to a fluke mutation, no one is to blame. If they have it due to inbreeding, the inbreds are the cause. — Kenosha Kid
Do you have the actual statistics? — baker
A man wants his daughter to be sexually attractive.
A man doesn't want to have sex with his daughter.
What could possibly go wrong? — TheMadFool
Women over 40 stand an increased chance of having children with birth defects. — Harry Hindu
I don't see how the incestuous couple using protection against pregnancy would be the cause of a child with a genetic disorder, but a non-incestuous couple actively trying to have a child are not the the cause of a child with a genetic disorder. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Does homosexuality lead to offspring with genetic disorders, high infant mortality, children with broken immune systems, and weak hearts? If not, then the two are not comparable. Homosexuals do not have to worry about the suffering of their future offspring directly caused by their homosexuality, nor do they or society have to pay the medical fees for mitigating that specific suffering. — Kenosha Kid
If that's true, does it change your questions? — T Clark
It may be a struggle to find the data, but I would assume there to be more genetic disorders from non-related couples actively trying for a baby, compared to an equal sample of related couples using protection against pregnancy. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Again, we'd need to consider the miscarriage rate and the abortion rate, as compared to those rates in the normal population. I imagine they are both higher in the incestuous population.I also have heard that incest only creates a modest increase of risk having genetic disorders, high infant mortality, children with broken immune systems, and weak hearts. — TheHedoMinimalist
I don't see how the incestuous couple using protection against pregnancy would be the cause of a child with a genetic disorder, but a non-incestuous couple actively trying to have a child are not the the cause of a child with a genetic disorder. — Down The Rabbit Hole
You're saying you cannot tell the difference between a deliberate act and happenstance? — Kenosha Kid
So, I do think it’s a pretty weak argument against incest myself. — TheHedoMinimalist
Again, we'd need to consider the miscarriage rate and the abortion rate, as compared to those rates in the normal population. I imagine they are both higher in the incestuous population. — baker
I think most fathers don’t necessarily like to think of their daughters as sexual beings to begin with. Regardless, I think you can desire someone to be sexually attractive to certain people while also not being sexually attracted to that same person. For example, I hope that my brother remains sexually attractive to his wife but I’m not sexually attracted to him. — TheHedoMinimalist
A socio-economic argument against incest is that if everything "stays within the family", the family will have less influence over other people in the community, thus weakening socio-economic cohesion. — baker
Fucking your sister is probably going to destabilize family dynamics, no? — darthbarracuda
You want prove that there's no difference between homosexuality and incest and that if one is immoral, so is the other. — TheMadFool
Fucking your sister is probably going to destabilize family dynamics, no? — darthbarracuda
Homosexuals have contributed to higher rate of AIDS in our society though. I have heard that roughly 80% of people in the US that have AIDS are homosexual men. — TheHedoMinimalist
I don't see how the former is any more deliberate than the latter. — Down The Rabbit Hole
The difference at hand is about knowing what the probable outcome of one's actions will be, vs. not knowing. — baker
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