No corporation or church can skim from my wealth or throw me in prison or regulate my activity. — NOS4A2
It is because they have this power that church and business often seek its favor and influence. — NOS4A2
) I’m defining “church” as dogma/ideology/system of beliefs, not as the Roman Catholic church. — Xtrix
2) You never quite answered the question. — Xtrix
What about censorship on social media? And aren't corporations responsible for the wages they pay their employees? Maybe that isn't "skimming wealth", but corporations can decide whether or not you live in poverty - and many hard workers do merely because of the bottom line.
But if you don’t like the parameters, you can refuse to accept the terms or move elsewhere. They cannot force you to stay and work, and you are the ultimate arbiter of your employment. — NOS4A2
The state, on the other hand, particularly the American state, can force you into slavery. — NOS4A2
Isn't the state based on an ideology as much as the church? — frank
I guess Wall St has the most power. — frank
Oh sweet Jesus - don't tell me you think forcing doctors to care for people who don't have money is slavery. — ToothyMaw
If you weaken the church, the void gets filled up by corporations — ChatteringMonkey
What if there is no better alternative? What if you have no education or qualifications for anything other than a retail job? — ToothyMaw
If you weaken the church, the void gets filled up by corporations
— ChatteringMonkey
An important point. The void gets filled with varying sects of the church of nihilism: capitalism, scientism, etc. Nietzsche is good on this.
Put another way: what do the corporations fill the void with? What is their underlying belief system? — Xtrix
By slavery I mean the thirteenth amendment of the constitution, which reserved slavery and involuntary servitude for prisoners. — NOS4A2
Tough shit. Then you have the freedom to starve to death. That’s NOS’s ideal world, anyway. Government is the problem, free markets are the solution. It’s done wonders the last 40 years— especially the Friedman Doctrine. — Xtrix
Tough shit. Then you have the freedom to starve to death. That’s NOS’s ideal world, anyway. Government is the problem, free markets are the solution. It’s done wonders the last 40 years— especially the Friedman Doctrine.
I do want Guantanamo closed down — NOS4A2
the CIA and FBI abolished, along with every other federal agency. — NOS4A2
In my ideal world we’d help members of our community instead of delegating that responsibility to the state. — NOS4A2
But even if we use religion (say represented by Catholicism), it’s still far more about belief than about creating laws or making money. In that respect, as I’ll argue, it is ultimately the basis for political and corporate decisions. — Xtrix
You need to stop and think about how stability is managed when there's separation of church and state. Corporations are part of that. — frank
I think it is quite funny how liberalism started as a project initiated by the emerging commercial classes for the purpose of restricting the power of king and church and gaining more power for themselves. — Apollodorus
The result is that we now seem to have rule by corporations. And as their power increases, the power of the people decreases. With modern methods of mass surveillance, manipulation, and control, it isn't easy to see a way out of it .... — Apollodorus
The State, the Church, the Corporation
If forced to choose one institution, which would you choose as the most powerful in the world today? — Xtrix
We have to look to who has the monopoly on violence and coercion. — NOS4A2
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