But the difficult question is precisely this, presenting a hypothetical: what the heck do you do if say, half the people - or maybe even a slight majority - don't want vaccines? Would it not be anti-democratic to make people take vaccines in such a situation? — Manuel
Much less, though. Yes, the data is moving around, but I think it's indisputable that vaccinated subjects are less likely to contract the virus, communicate it, or become seriously ill from it. (I know anti-vaxxers will do everything they can to discredit the data but I'm not going to play that game.) — Wayfarer
The fly in the ointment being that refusing vaccination can also affect other people; you can get the virus, have no symptoms, but then transmit it to someone else who might die from it. — Wayfarer
Yes, vaccination helps, but you'll need to behave as if you are a carrier around vulnerable people, which includes vaccinated elderly, diabetics, and cancer patients. — frank
Of course, 100%. I expect to be wearing masks in public places and taking the related precautions for the forseeable future — Wayfarer
, I do remember that global warming denial was somewhat higher in Australia than in other comparative countries, due to industry interests in coal if I don't misremember. — Manuel
Darwin's evolution will winnow out the future offspring of the vaxxars. Thats why they are selfish. — Prishon
It doesn't get much weirder than Florida so far as the US goes — Manuel
you are not doing your part while expecting others to do theirs. That's just the tragedy of the commons and you should know better. — Srap Tasmaner
One irony is that, as you know, I'm a very staunch critic of 'scientism' and 'scientific materialism' on this forum, but when it comes to public policy I'm completely 'pro science'. I would never think of denigrating public health officials or the expert opinion of scientists when it comes to matters of health — Wayfarer
The wag in me can’t help but note that, as of today, the figure of 680,000 deaths used by Prof. Ioannidis as an appeal to ridicule of overblown warnings about COVID-19 death tolls is currently easily the closest to the death toll that we are, unfortunately, likely to see in the US before the pandemic is finally over.
the author is not overall critical of Ioaniddes — Wayfarer
Otherwise as the infection becomes endemic we are going to be frightening ourselves with very high numbers that actually don’t translate into disease burden — Prof Paul Hunter, University of East Anglia speaking at the the UK All Party Commission
don't have any idea what BMJ stands for — Wayfarer
I guess traffic lights & child-proof caps on medicine bottles make you "ewwww :vomit:" too. — 180 Proof
it sounds very soviet, and that is a disgusting idea for me.Bring on the passports & mandates! — 180 Proof
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