These are all mitigated by circumstance. Punishment will almost always be less severe in such cases. — Isaac
People seem to misunderstand healthcare isn't an entitlement but a privilege. So we can definitely decide to set rules for people to receive that privilege. — Benkei
We never mandated measles vaccines, which was much, much worse in terms of infection rate and slightly higher death rate but also risk of blindness. — Benkei
That you support the right for others to make stupid decisions is a principled one, and one that I can understand, but it's not one I would personally spend time fighting for. Should you win the battle and secure the common man's inherent right to be stupid, I'm not certain the world will be better off. — Hanover
. People from lower socio-economic backgrounds are disproportionally sanctioned for breaking laws with less leniency applied. That's in part institutional racism, in part network corruption and part knowing how to deal with authorities (and sometimes even just speaking the language and understanding your rights). — Benkei
My proposal rests most squarely on a consideration of justice. If you willfully make decisions that contribute to you requiring care and those decisions are proximate causes to you requiring care, then all other things being equal, you are not the priority patient. — Benkei
We have a bible belt where people don't get the measles vaccine either and every 10-15 years or so there's an outbreak — Benkei
As an aside, what you describe isn't institutionalized racism, but institutionalized classism. — Hanover
Again, this is not the kind of decision a triager makes. Stay in your lane, buddy. — frank
Again, this is not the kind of decision a triager makes. — frank
You keep suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about in a public forum so it would be appropriate to actually explain why. Just because you're a nurse doesn't make you an expert on ethics. — Benkei
it was my loved one's life on the line who needed the bed, then I'd make the decision for the triager. That settles that. Some times a selfish, inconsiderate, disrespectful asshole makes it my lane. — James Riley
That's why we have huge security personnel. — frank
Get the biggest ones you want. Get as many as you want — James Riley
You'll wake up tied to a bed with a tube down your throat. If you start struggling, we'll put you back to — frank
Most humans are assholes. How have you not noticed this yet? — frank
Uh, no. You'll just end up with more big people to triage. I'll be fine. — James Riley
How about the rest of here just stipulate that you can kick Chuck Norris's ass any time you like and you leave off making posts where you remind us? — Srap Tasmaner
:lol: You'll definitely be fine. You'll end up in the psych ward eventually. — frank
The 5 principles I mentioned aren't my invention; they're actually used to write protocols and in arriving at decisions. If you're confronted with a triage situation, after assessing it and it fits the protocol, you can follow the protocol. — Benkei
But let's start somewhere. Let's assume you have perfect knowledge and there are two patients, male, 26-years old, both have COVID, one is vaccinated the other isn't. Both need a vent and there's only one vent. Who gets the vent? Is this an obvious case to you? If not, why not? — Benkei
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