Blank verse is incredible. The rhythm of words freed from the distraction of rhyme allows the poet to explore overlooked corners of language. — Noble Dust
Can we receive the message sent to us by Mozart? By the cave painters in Lascaux? By the guys who built fucking Machu Picchu? By the guys who built this 5,000 years ago? — T Clark
I'm a poet. — Noble Dust
Poetry uses words, which is really problematic because it uses the same vehicles we use in our every day conversations, like the one we're having here. So it's not correct to compare poetry to music, cave paintings, or whatever the fuck Machu Picchu is. If you can speak in music or painting right now, do so; and I'll concede the point. — Noble Dust
What is metaphysics in this context? If the discussion is to be whether poetry have it or not, then we - I - need to know. Anyone? — tim wood
Poetry uses words, but is not like our other uses. I know that because I feel it. Poetry feels like music. It feels like visual art. It goes to the same place inside — T Clark
The best poets do not "conceal ugliness" or 'enhance beauty". Life is both ugly and beautiful, both heaven and hell and the good poets tell it like it is.A poet is a beautician - enhances beauty and conceals ugliness.
— TheMadFool
You've been reading the wrong poets, mate. — Janus
Why? Show me a right poet and a wrong poet and maybe there's something worth discussing. — TheMadFool
A poet is a beautician - enhances beauty and conceals ugliness.
— TheMadFool
You've been reading the wrong poets, mate. — Janus
Why? Show me a right poet and a wrong poet and maybe there's something worth discussing.
— TheMadFool
The best poets do not "conceal ugliness" or 'enhance beauty". Life is both ugly and beautiful, both heaven and hell and the good poets tell it like it is. — Janus
Can you give me an instance of poetry on the ugliness of life? — TheMadFool
I didn't say good poets focus on the ugliness of life; that would be to enhance ugliness and conceal beauty. Good poets neither enhance nor conceal either beauty or ugliness, they reveal both and allow both to stand. — Janus
Life is both ugly and beautiful, both heaven and hell and the good poets tell it like it is. — Janus
Blank verse is incredible. The rhythm of words freed from the distraction of rhyme allows the poet to explore overlooked corners of language. — Noble Dust
Give me an example of "life is [both] ugly...good poets tell it like it is" — TheMadFool
The buds luminous in white sway happily,
and sparkling valleys darkened by angst. — Literary devices: blank verse
The Dark - by Carol Ann Duffy
If you think of the dark
as a black park
and the moon as a bounced ball,
then there’s nothing to be frightened of
at all.
(Except for aliens…)
— Poem: Dark
The messages of art, including poetry, are not received by interpreting it. They are received by experiencing it. — T Clark
ASSISI by Norman McCaig
Resource by Jane Cooper.
Getting In
Before you read the poem, think about these questions:
1. If you see someone begging in a public place, what do you feel?
2. And, if you see someone begging in a public place, what do you do? Give them
money? Buy them food? Stop to talk to them? Walk away? Something else?
Meeting The Text
You are about to read the Norman MacCaig poem ‘Assisi’. As you read it for the first
time, work out the answers to these questions.
1. Where does the speaker seem to be in this poem? Be as exact as you can.
2. Which two different individual people does he notice? What are these people
doing?
3. Which group of people does he notice? What are these people doing — Poem: Assissi by Norman MacCaig - Teaching notes
↪Gus Lamarch thank you for this. It is much needed by myself: lover of poetry, poetical philistine. — Michael Zwingli
The conclusion reached by Ismail, and by other poets and philosophers, was that:
"Poetry comprises only an authentic metaphysics, from the moment on that its analysis is done in such a way that the linguistic poetic basis is also its development and conclusion."
Therefore, poetic metaphysics is something that can only be conceived through the incomplete visualization - not absolute but subjective - of concepts. — Gus Lamarch
Metaphysical poets
A group of 17th-century poets whose works are marked by philosophical exploration, colloquial diction, ingenious conceits, irony, and metrically flexible lines. Topics of interest often included love, religion, and morality, which the metaphysical poets considered through unusual comparisons, frequently employing unexpected similes and metaphors in displays of wit. The inclusion of contemporary scientific advancements were also typical. John Donne is the foremost figure, along with George Herbert, Andrew Marvell, Abraham Cowley, Richard Crashaw, and Henry Vaughan. For more on metaphysical poetry, see Stephen Burt’s poem guide on John Donne's “The Sun Rising.” — Poetry foundation: Glossary of terms
The word ‘Metaphysical Poetry’ is a philosophical concept used in literature where poets portray the things/ideas that are beyond the depiction of physical existence. Etymologically, there is a combination of two words ‘meta’ and ‘physical in word “metaphysical”.’ The first word “Meta” means beyond. So metaphysical means beyond physical, beyond the normal and ordinary. The meanings are clear here that it deals with the objects/ideas that are beyond the existence of this physical world. Let us look at the origin of word metaphysical poetry in more detail. — What is Metaphysical Poetry
You know what I'd like to see. Poetry battles like Rap battles unless the former is what the latter is.
8h — TheMadFool
yeah, I think that Gus is using the term "metaphysics" in a differing sense than that applied to the historical phenomenon. — Michael Zwingli
what I mean by that, is that the OP is not restricting the term "metaphysics"/"metaphysical" to a school or period of English poetry, as Sam Johnson did — Michael Zwingli
...terms to describe the commonalities of all poerty, the purpose and intent behind the "poetic enterprise" — Michael Zwingli
"Poetry comprises only an authentic metaphysics, from the moment on that its analysis is done in such a way that the linguistic poetic basis is also its development and conclusion."
Therefore, poetic metaphysics is something that can only be conceived through the incomplete visualization - not absolute but subjective - of concepts. — Gus Lamarch
What is meant by an 'authentic' metaphysics' ? — Amity
In this, Gus seems to be suggesting that the impulse behind the poetic undertaking is the elucidation of fundamental truths of the human experience of life. — Michael Zwingli
I didn't see this before.
Perhaps that is the case.
However, it seems too technical and theoretical re 'fundamental truths'. — Amity
Poetry is fated against it's own time because it's language. It will always fade because of it's stuff. — Noble Dust
But it does mean that there's no "metaphysic" of poetry as such. — Noble Dust
I'm familiar with Machu Picchu, btw. — Noble Dust
These exist. They are called "poetry slams", to be found within most conurbations of any significant size. Generally, most of the poetry is original, and poor (a subjective estimation, if there ever was one), but occasionally something inspiring happens.
Indeed, "rap" can be viewed as a type of poetry, albeit exceedingly simple in it's metrical schemata, and exceedingly monotonous by endless repetition. In this, rap has always seemed to myself the application of poetic device to the shamanistic enterprise, the latter-day repetitious use of rhyme and meter in the pursuit of ecstatic states of mind. Rap music is only "good" for those seeking such a state. For others, such as myself, it's essential qualities remain ineffective. — Michael Zwingli
I am assuming that by Gus' use of the term "metaphysics" he means the search for first principles/fundamental truths (ens in quantum ens). — Michael Zwingli
Core explicit concept = I am that which brings me joy and sorrow
Core implicit concept = I am that which brings me joy and sorrow as I am a servant of God
Substance = Faith — Gus Lamarch
Core explicit concept = I am the heir of holy glories long past
Core implicit concept = I am the heir of holy glories long past as I am the heir of my own glories
Substance = Heredity/Glory — Gus Lamarch
Realize that even mystical Sufi poetry is sometimes incapable of sufficiently deconstructing the meaning of poetry so that its metaphysical essence is fully understood - — Gus Lamarch
Poetry comprises only an authentic metaphysics, from the moment on that its analysis is done in such a way that the linguistic poetic basis is also its development and conclusion — Gus Lamarch
In Broken Images
He is quick, thinking in clear images;
I am slow, thinking in broken images.
He becomes dull, trusting to his clear images;
I become sharp, mistrusting my broken images.
Trusting his images, he assumes their relevance;
Mistrusting my images, I question their relevance.
Assuming their relevance, he assumes the fact;
Questioning their relevance, I question the fact.
When the fact fails him, he questions his senses;
When the fact fails me, I approve my senses.
He continues quick and dull in his clear images;
I continue slow and sharp in my broken images.
He in a new confusion of his understanding;
I in a new understanding of my confusion. — Robert Graves
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