All that I'm saying is what happens if I take a modern text - a novel, a scientific treatise, a poem, etc. - and take it back 2,000 years into the past and ask the people then to translate it: plane = iron bird? :chin:
— TheMadFool
If a scholar from 2,000 years ago hypothetically somehow had the tools to translate future language into their current language, then I suppose anything would be possible, given those parameters, so then the gravity of the hypothetical question would completely disintegrate, rendering it laughable. This is why I hate these stupid, uncreative thought experiments (P-zombies, et al; take no offense please). — Noble Dust
You mean to say that the word "computer" existed in Babylonian/Egyptian times? I don't think so.
— TheMadFool
Indeed. "Think" — VincePee
Sorry, I didn't catch your drift. Can you expand and elaborate. Thanks. — TheMadFool
The word computer didnt exist but who says no one computed? — VincePee
Well, you sound offended; I didn't mean to offend you. — Noble Dust
We're on the same page. Nothing to discuss. — TheMadFool
I think I'm a few pages ahead... — VincePee
That you think you are is not the same as you are. — TheMadFool
I'm certain it does change; I hadn't been aware of the greenish verision until earlier today. I'm not sure I can endorse "no common agreement"; rather there is no binding agreement as to what it is in any given conversation. We could probably arrive at it by a process of exclusion. It's certainly the color all the other colors are not and everytime I've requested it I've been presented with something some one identified as french grey. It's an observable phenomena so Wittgenstein wouldn't deny it exist, but I'm not certain he would believe it's a real color.Wittgenstein's question: How do you know that what you think of as french grey doesn't slowly change in your mind... so that what you thought french grey on one day is different the next? — Banno
TheMadFool
That you think you are is not the same as you are.
— TheMadFool
I have to think about this one... — VincePee
Don't waste your time... — TheMadFool
ay, there's the rub:
The meaning is the use. — Banno
To use, you already have to know what stuff means. (and stuff 'means' on all sorts of levels) So meaning can't simply be use. — Arcturus
I'm certain it does change; — Cheshire
Who's going to argue for one exact color gradient that the phrase "French Grey" defines? — Noble Dust
Say: I want to mess with my friend: I know If i use this word, it'll have one effect, and if I use another it'll have another effect. I choose what words to use based on how I understand their meaning. — Arcturus
...but no, you are choosing one use over another use; that being the effect it has on your friend. — Banno
It's partially use, partially not. — Arcturus
That's true in anglophone settings. Beyond that, nobody cares about him.Wittgenstein's law: It doesn't take long before any discussion on language in philosophy begins to turn into a discussion on Wittgenstein. — TheMadFool
Wittgenstein's law: It doesn't take long before any discussion on language in philosophy begins to turn into a discussion on Wittgenstein.
— TheMadFool
That's true in anglophone settings. Beyond that, nobody cares about him — Olivier5
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