People going to such lengths over masking up have more than just lost perspective (if they ever had any). Sure, they'd have to be way out extremists. — jorndoe
There are people having died due to their denial, and parents whose kids have died, all preventable. :death: [...] During the pandemic, there's a heightened chance of pathogen-encounters. ☣ [...] being socially responsible, not being a loose cannon [...] What about taking part in stomping the pandemic down? — jorndoe
If we disagree and you are wrong –> demonstrably wrong –> demonstrably dangerously wrong, then is it "fascist" to defend myself, with violence if needs be, against being subjected to the imminent danger/s which you (e.g. anti-vaxxers) advocate or present? — 180 Proof
Simply, don't become the monster you seek to defeat. — Cheshire
I'm not just talking about covid and vax. I'm talking about the way the right treats the left when the right is in charge. What goes around, comes around. Try a little compassion, empathy, consideration, respect. Otherwise you end up creating people like me: not really the touchy-feely lib. — James Riley
I just won't hate them while I do it. — Cheshire
It does matter when it effects other people. These ideas do effect the other people. So no, you're not "free to it" at that point. I can't act in a way that harms others, regardless of my beliefs. — Xtrix
So we aren't devaluing people, but rather attitudes, beliefs, and so on. — frank
Sometimes, I think people trade physical well-being for psychological well being. — Derrick Huestis
If we disagree and you are wrong –> demonstrably wrong –> demonstrably dangerously wrong, then is it "fascist" to defend myself, with violence if needs be, against being subjected to the imminent danger/s which you (e.g. anti-vaxxers) advocate or present? — 180 Proof
Matters of public health should not be left to individual citizens to decide, simply because they are too complex for an ordinary citizen to have the proper grasp of them, and too important to be left to lay public discourse and individual decision.
The government should make a decision and make it mandatory for people to comply. — baker
Infectuous diseases (esp. those with potentially fatal outcomes) are a matter of public health, and therefore, cannot be left to the individual to decide about. They should be regulated at least by laws, but preferrably, by the constitution.
The focus on personal choice is nothing but an attempt to shift the burden of responsibility on the individual person, releasing doctors, science, and the government from responsibility, all under the guise of "respecting the individual's right to choice". — baker
I'm not against vaccination in general, nor against vaccination against covid in particular.
But I am against vaccinating people of unknown medical status with an experimental medication.
And I am against vaccinating people in epidemiologically unsafe conditions. At mass vaccination sites, but also in smaller vaccination settings, people often don't wear masks, or don't wear them properly, they don't social distance, disinfect. It's a perfect place to spread the virus. And this at a time that is critical for the people there: they can get infected precisely at the time when they should be most cautious and most safe. Ideally, a person should go into sufficiently long quarantene prior to vaccination and afterwards. Some will say that this is not realistic. But then we get the result: covid hospitals filling with vaccinated people. The trend is clear: as more and more people are getting vaccinated in unsafe conditions, more and more vaccinated people end up in hospitals. — baker
It's painful to watch the left gain power and fracture or pander to the center. I would be all up for using an any means necessary under the law approach to politically crush a lot of what the right seeks to do. In reference to anti-civil liberties and voter repression. I just won't hate them while I do it. — Cheshire
I can only speak for myself. Feeling indignant is far more annoying than it is orgasmic; in fact it is not orgasmic at all. If I ever get to the point where I think righteous indignation is better than sex then I'll know I'm no longer enjoying life very much. — Janus
I stated a truism. I'm not misleadingThis is misleading. Try arguing both-sides to the flat earth “debate.” It simply looks ridiculous there. — Xtrix
It's good to keep a level of skepticism for all people at all times.. Because basically nobody is totally rational or virtuous.But most of the time, our real choice lies in who we deem trustworthy— because we can’t be questioning everything at all times, and we can’t do “deep dives” into every medical, mechanical, scientific, or physical issue that we face— we rely on those with the requisite experience, knowledge, expertise to guide us as we get on with our lives. — Xtrix
I meant to say that both sides, those who are married to mainstream narratives, and those married to counter-mainstream narratives can both be immune to facts. Being married to a narrative is irrational in itself. Why marry any narrative?To argue that both sides are equally irrational is irrational. — Xtrix
Cheshire baker @Srap Tasmaner ...
If we disagree and you are wrong –> demonstrably wrong –> demonstrably dangerously wrong, then is it "fascist" to defend myself, with violence if needs be, against being subjected to the imminent danger/s which you (e.g. anti-vaxxers) advocate or present? — 180 Proof
Same here.Not sure what's going on here. I'm actually in favor of vaccine mandates.
I'd be really curious to know why you think I'm an anti-vaxxer — Srap Tasmaner
Andrew Yang? — Cheshire
I gather that because I didn't exibit an enthusiastic belief in vaccination, that automatically made me an anti-vaxxer in their eyes. — baker
Works for me, I've never gotten covid, and if I did and died oh well, at least I died a free man. — Derrick Huestis
You've obviously never met people who live in the country, there's a lot out there to kill someone, but doesn't stop them one bit. — Derrick Huestis
Though not free of the virus (which took your freedom). — jorndoe
One way to do that, is to help them weather this shit storm. — James Riley
We'll probably come out of this crappy storm better off, just got to weather it... — Derrick Huestis
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