Thank you for your response.the issue is not so much how we feel about the issue but what the evidence is — Tom Storm
Does this mean you don't believe that YOU exist and that YOU are reading this message? Are these not solid thoughts? Is believing that YOU are an illusion a more solid thought for you?I don't think of the idea of self as solid but more as an insubstantial — Tom Storm
Thank you for your response.You are nothing but your body. — Laguercina
This topic is about a specific position: "You are not a body". It does not ask "Are you a body?" — Alkis Piskas
Rather, your mind is a certain configuration of your body. That seems to get past all the problems you cite without proposing a dualism. For instance: "He stormed out because he was angry". — khaled
Thank you for your response.So you don't accept that dualism? — Ciceronianus
I have said what I am, using the second person (Re: "What is this YOU?")Are you neither your body or your mind, but something which is neither? — Ciceronianus
Besides that, my whole description was about showing that the body is something separate from YOU. — Alkis Piskas
"If you are a body, then why do you say 'my body', 'I have a body', and so on?" — Alkis Piskas
Thank you for your response, dimosthenes9.Do most people here on TPF agree that thoughts, ideas etc (mind in general) is non psychical? Or the majority believes it belongs to psychical world(material) — dimosthenis9
1) The poll I launched ("Does thinking take place in the human brain?") showed that 82% believe that thinking takes place in the brain.From the responses you got from all the 3 threads you opened about that issue what you got? — dimosthenis9
Thank you for your response.of course I am not merely, or identical with, "my" body. "I am", in fact, the emergent, recursively continuous, output of this body's interactions with its environment. — 180 Proof
Thank you for your response.Someone who has a body. — Bitter Crank
But all this is "body" (except "mind", but this is not the issue). Where is that "someone" involved in all this?Complex animals with complex central nervous systems. Muscles, blood, skin, bones, brains, minds. — Bitter Crank
Thank you for your response.Just point to yourself and see whether your finger lands on mind or body. — NOS4A2
Thank you for your response.Ownership is an illusion. — Present awareness
Disappear? Even doctors know that poeple in coma can hear and perceive other things.If you are not your brain, then why do you disappear when you go into a coma? — Present awareness
Nice description. :up:Consciousness is aware of thoughts, emotions, memories, input from the five sense organs and constructs a hologram of what it considers to be YOU at this moment. Who you were and who you might be, exists within this hologram as well, but nowhere else. — Present awareness
Good point. I will let you know when I a hear something about that. I personally don't try to find this out, because I wonder who is going to pay me this million dollars?! :grin:The million dollar question is where and how does this consciousness arise in the first place? — Present awareness
Thank you for your response.A "self" as you are describing ( We ), is an emergent phenomena. — Pop
a living unit — Alkis Piskas
The believe that they are physical — Alkis Piskas
This fact alone, makes me think that I do not belong here! However, I can ignore this because I am here to express my views and exchange views with other thinkers. This pleases me a lot. — Alkis Piskas
even worse, impertinence and vulgar language. — Alkis Piskas
Thank you for your response.Your body is connected to your brain. — Gobuddygo
By "us" you mean the body, right? So, we are our bodes, right?give light or fire to the brains inside of us — Gobuddygo
Certainly not. There are billions (not millions) of people in this planet who believe this, mostly in the East, of course.Is the theory yours? I'm not sure why you state we are not our body. — Gobuddygo
The self and its world as a unified modelling relation don't exist at some single scale. They exist - in modern humans - at levels that are meta- to each other. We can't make the questions of selfhood simpler than they in fact are. — apokrisis
Thank you for your response.By your reasoning, we're not our minds either — TheMadFool
Well, the answer is in my description of the topic. (Now I am sure you have not read the topic. Not OK!)What are we then? — TheMadFool
Who is "he"? Well, wataver.And if he were not living? What sort of interaction could you have with his YOU? — Srap Tasmaner
But I also want to say that recognizing yourself as part of the world is not such a bad thing to do. — Srap Tasmaner
Just YOU. The person I am replying to at the moment I am writing these lines. YOU is the person himself, his identity, the human being, a living unit. It is very concrete, as far as the language is concerned as well as a reality. There's no "emergent phenomena" involved! — Alkis Piskas
I rather think a model, as such, should be a definitive representation of something, composed of a multiplicity of conceptions, as opposed to a mere caricature, which will always have the fewer. — Mww
The first, and very obvious question is, "If you are a body, then why do you say 'my body', 'I have a body', and so on?" You can't be a body and have a body at the same time, can you? — Alkis Piskas
Of course I accept it! Why else should I have brought it up? I only said that "this [discussing it] is not in my plan." Besides that, my whole description was about showing that the body is something separate from YOU. Even the statement of this topic itself indicates that.
(I didn't want to involve the term "mind" in all this, for not complicating things. Of course, the mind is non-physical and thus separate from the body.) — Alkis Piskas
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