Thank you for your response to the topic.A remote consciousness would like to raise awareness about plausible deficiencies contained within the original post. — Voidrunner
What problem?there aren’t important issues to solve, because the problem is meaningless. — Xtrix
See https://www.thefreedictionary.com/physical+structureThe “physical structure”, for example, means what? — Xtrix
What games? I brought in a definition from a standard dictionary. I also brought in another one, above. If that is what you are calling "games" or you think that consulting dictionaries to get the meaning of terms is uselsess, no wonder why you find everything meaningless!If we simply want to play games with words, — Xtrix
Yes, I am rather for that!Or if not generates, at least interacts for sure with something non-physical. — dimosthenis9
I wonder about that too! I could understand this for people in general, even for hardcore Science who can only handle material things, but I really can't for philosophical thinkers who are supposed to apply rational thinking!I can't understand why the materialists from the original view "that mind cannot exist without brain" (which I also find true) jump to the conclusion "so mind is psychical!". There is a huge logical gap here. — dimosthenis9
Exactly! There are so many reasons for doing that, i.e. leaving the issue at least "open", and mainly the inability of proving that thinking (esp. higher level thinking) takes place in the brain.Why they can't accept the possibility that physical creates something that it's obvious non psychical — dimosthenis9
Well, I have a couple of explanations for that kind of "philosophical" behavior that characterizes these people.
(Note: I am referring to the people who have something valuable and pertinent to say, not the weeds, the clueless those who have nothing to do with philosophy and are here for fun, neither the really crazy guys, those who have gone nuts. And there are quite a few of them in here! — Alkis Piskas
Usual meaning?! Well, I have never met this word used in the way you define it! I also looked, specially for that, in a couple of standard dictionaries and I found nothing, not even close to that definition! BTW, it is very close to that of "free will" and self-determination.What do you mean by "agency"?
— Alkis Piskas
The usual meaning. The feeling of being free to choose and act on your own behalf. — apokrisis
To be honest, I'm curious whether others share your stance on my critique. — Voidrunner
Usual meaning?! Well, I have never met this word used in the way you define it! I also looked, specially for that, in a couple of standard dictionaries and I found nothing, not even close to that definition! BTW, it is very close to that of "free will" and self-determination. — Alkis Piskas
I have not asked this question from you. Well, you just picked it up. OK, but I would prefer that you had responded to the topic itself. Anyway, since wer are here ...Nothing. But can you please tell me why you say "I don't consider my brain ...." Can you be a body and still have a body at the same time?
— Alkis Piskas — DanLager
But you just said your brain is not part of your body. You see, the feeling (which accompanies "having a body", and which is natural) is in conflict with your mind (i.e, what you think about that). This is what can often happen when we think about things in life and rely on ideas instead of experiencing these things directly.My brain is not part of my body. It's a mere aid. So I am my body. I don't have a body, I am my body. — DanLager
If it is not part of your body --which is not true, because you can see it yourself in a brain scan (MRI/MRS)-- then where do you think it is part of?My brain is not part of my body. — DanLager
The sense of agency (SA), or sense of control, is the subjective awareness of initiating, executing, and controlling one's own volitional actions in the world.[1] It is the pre-reflective awareness or implicit sense that it is I who is executing bodily movement(s) or thinking thoughts. In non-pathological experience, the SA is tightly integrated with one's "sense of ownership" (SO), which is the pre-reflective awareness or implicit sense that one is the owner of an action, movement or thought. If someone else were to move your arm (while you remained passive) you would certainly have sensed that it were your arm that moved and thus a sense of ownership (SO) for that movement. However, you would not have felt that you were the author of the movement; you would not have a sense of agency (SA).[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_of_agency
Indeed Buddhism considers the spirit, the mind and the body as one enity. Also Buddhist medicine is based on a holistic view of the human being. However, the meaning and use of term "spirit" is different in Buddhism. They have another term for what in the West we call "spirit": Atman. So it's just a different word. Taosim uses the word "ghost" for we call "spirit". And so on.Eastern (Buddhist) philosophy is about realizing emptiness and pretty much the opposite of what you appear to be indicating. — praxis
I was totally honest with you. I really didn't undesrand your point. Do you find it rational to blame someone because he honestly didn't undestand something you said?It's a pity to hear that, — Voidrunner
If it is not part of your body --which is not true, because you can see it yourself in a brain scan (MRI/MRS)-- then where do you think it is part of? — Alkis Piskas
Well the issue is not so much how we feel about the issue but what the evidence is — Tom Storm
that although the body is composed of parts, indeed of billions of cells, the self is a simple unity. Which suggests that the self transcends the physical body in being able to create and maintain a sense of continuous existence, while the body itself is subject to constant change. — Wayfarer
Thank you for your response to the topic.I can see the physical world too. — Newkomer
How is this done? How is your brain giving you ideas and feelings? Can you give me one or two examples?My brain is not an essential part of me. It serves to give me ideas and feelings and thoughts — Newkomer
How is this done? How is your brain giving you ideas and feelins? Can you give me one or two examples? — Alkis Piskas
Also, I don't know how many people in here know about that term/expression. — Alkis Piskas
Pain and itch are sensations, not feelings. Feelings refer to emotions.It makes my body feel pain or an itch. — Newkomer
It gives you fantasies ... And also makes you solve equations and think about life and the whole universe ...It gives me fantasies about quantum fields and curved spacetime. I can litterally see with the eyes turned inward. — Newkomer
Pain and itch are sensations, not feelings! Feelings refer to emotions! — Alkis Piskas
Indeed Buddhism considers the spirit, the mind and the body as one enity. Also Buddhist medicine is based on a holistic view of the human being. However, the meaning and use of term "spirit" is different in Buddhism. They have another term for what in the West we call "spirit": Atman. So it's just a different word. Taosim uses the word "ghost" for we call "spirit". And so on.
Anyway, even if I agreed with your point, this would not be "opposite" of what I indicated. It would be just a case where my indication could not be applied. But this would not mean that dualism is inexistent in the whole Eastern philosophy! (E.g. Hinduism, Yoga, Taosism) — Alkis Piskas
So, what I can see and didn't like at all, is that you tried to find a way to totally refute my indicating of the Eastern philosophy by just mentioning Buddhism, based on the word spirit". This is unfair. Not OK! — Alkis Piskas
One thing to consider is that the body continually changes, and indeed every cell is replaced every seven years, but the self maintains a sense of continuity. That is related to the issue of the unity of subjective experience - that although the body is composed of parts, indeed of billions of cells, the self is a simple unity. Which suggests that the self transcends the physical body in being able to create and maintain a sense of continuous existence, while the body itself is subject to constant change. — Wayfarer
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