My preoccupation is how do we determine a fact is a true statement? — Tom Storm
First, a fact is a true statement by definition. There are no facts that are not true. SO your preoccupation is ill-formed.
Second, the word "determine" is misplaced, since what you are asking, presumably, is when one ought believe; and that's not determinate. You can believe whatever you like. That doesn't make it true. That is, you are asking a normative question but looking for an epistemological answer.
Third, it would be very odd if there were a rule that set out when a statement s true in every case.
This thread is so long because you and a few others havn't understood the answer. — Banno
The usage as an act is found in Jane Ausitn, "...gracious in fact if not in word"; and Milton, Paradise Lost, "He who most excels in fact of arms". But as something that really occurred, in Thirlwall, "...one fact destroys this fiction". The first occurrence of fact as truth or reality is dated at 1581, well pre-dating your supposition that it derives from17th century empiricism. (SOED) (Edit: on checking the OED, the date is "1632 J. Hayward tr. Biondi's Eromena 21 They resolved that the Admirall should goe disguised‥to assure himselfe of the fact." It seems the point is one of contention). — Banno
This from a man utterly dismissive of definition when it suits his purpose. Meh, indeed! — tim wood
In what sense is it actual? What even do you mean by actual? Do you mean what's happening now? — tim wood
Further, I did not ask what the usages of "fact" were, instead I asked what a fact is - you can go back and see. — tim wood
In regard of this, you might have said that a fact appears to be a kind of descriptive proposition that says something about something that is generally accepted as accurate wrt to appropriate criteria, and that being accepted as a fact, was accorded value and currency non-facts neither get nor have. Or something like. This if you had thought about it at all.
Our empiricist and pragmatist friends have been misled by considering only a limited number of examples of the use of fact. — Banno
Part of the challenge with this word 'fact' is that 'facts' are often conceptualized as a kind of ammunition to be used against those who hold to different 'facts'. — Tom Storm
identifying bullshit relies on identifying a difference between what is true and what someone believes. — Banno
is it your understanding of phenomenology that the notion of 'what is true' is understood as an intersubjective understanding... — Tom Storm
A fact is a statement that is true.
It is also the state of affairs set out by a true statement. — Banno
If there is an issue with what I have said, set it out. — Banno
you have no standard for truth. — tim wood
I agree that a fact is a statement. You aver it's a true statement but you have no standard for truth. — tim wood
So presumably you are happy to call untrue statements facts. — Banno
Are you kidding? You say facts are true. I say, how do you know? And you dismiss it.It doesn't set out identifiable issues with what I have said. — Banno
What to do with it? Consider:When you can exhibit a true proposition about an event... — tim wood
...so whatever the "event"you are asking for, you are both accusing me of having presented it instead of a fact, and then demanded I present what you say I already presented.......seeing the cat on the mat is an event, not a fact... — tim wood
You say facts are true. I say, how do you know? And you dismiss it. — tim wood
You still haven't answered when a fact is true. — Nosferatu
perhaps you are asking when a statement ought be believed. There is no general answer to that question. — Banno
I think the threat of great violence is the bedt time tp believe something — Merkwurdichliebe
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