about the actual position that variance in degree of support within the cohort of experts is not well correlated with a theory's predictive power, — Isaac
What threat are the unvaccinated to the vaccinated? — Harry Hindu
What threat are the unvaccinated to the vaccinated? If there is still a threat even though you are vaccinated, then why get vaccinated at all? If I can still carry and spread the virus even though I'm vaccinated, then what purpose is there to get vaccinated? — Harry Hindu
These individual stories do not produce conversions. These aren’t situations where anti-vaxxers learn their lesson, get vaccinated, and save themselves. — Lili Loofbourow
What this massive record of human suffering really illustrates (in all its startling, repetitive sameness) is how seamlessly anti-vax communities reconcile themselves to the deaths their convictions will perpetuate. — Lili Loofbourow
Chilled though I’ve been by how this subreddit can rejoice at a death, I’m somehow no less chilled by how easily the bereaved normalize their losses. A 35-year-old man with three young children and a free vaccine available should not be dead! There is astonishingly little recognition of this. — Lili Loofbourow
schadenfreude — Lili Loofbourow
If it was so easy to find the answers, then why not provide them here for everyone's benefit? — Harry Hindu
Here's a question no one has asked: — Harry Hindu
Well since you guys seem so much happier arguing against the entirely fictitious position that "we shouldn't trust experts" rather than saying anything substantive about the actual position that variance in degree of support within the cohort of experts is not well correlated with a theory's predictive power, I'll leave you to it. — Isaac
our compassionate societies make sure that even the most antisocial distrustful lying cretins are cared for... — Olivier5
What threat are the unvaccinated to the vaccinated? If there is still a threat even though you are vaccinated, then why get vaccinated at all? If I can still carry and spread the virus even though I'm vaccinated, then what purpose is there to get vaccinated? — Harry Hindu
There is a huge demand for the Janssen vaccine now in Slovenia, given that a covid passport is needed for pretty much everything, and the Janssen vaccine is the quickest way to get it (it's just one dose and the passport is valid immediately after vaccination).That would indeed be ridiculous if the vaccine were only 10% effective. (Although I suppose it would still be a little better than nothing). Are you convinced that is an accurate assessment of its efficacy? — Janus
What threat are the unvaccinated to the vaccinated? If there is still a threat even though you are vaccinated, then why get vaccinated at all? If I can still carry and spread the virus even though I'm vaccinated, then what purpose is there to get vaccinated?
— Harry Hindu
Are you familiar with the notion of 'more or less' as opposed to 'all or nothing'? — Janus
It's just that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't care about anyone's freedom. The virus replicates propagates mutates unchecked in whatever fertile grounds, leaving victims in its wake, and that's a social thing with consequences as well as personal. — jorndoe
Irrelevant. What is relevant is what happens on the ground level.So the question is: how many times does the consensus of experts need to be proven true before we simply (as laypeople) trust them? — Xtrix
Irrelevant.The question is: should the population (laypeople) trust the CDC and the WHO? Yes, they should. Should we trust scientists? Yes, we should. — Xtrix
As long as the discussion is limited to philosophy forums, there should be no problem.Nothing to do with the government. It's the whole health sector we are talking about. And not during a pandemic. Sowing doubt for no good reason in situations of crisis is antisocial. — Olivier5
But look at Israel. Sky high vaccination rates achieved early on, yet the vast majority of covid patients requring hospital care are fully vaccinated. This trend is observable in other countries too: the percentage of the fully vaccinated hospitalized is growing.Vaccination gives us a tool to work to that end. Collectively.
Pressure? It's flat out hatred, contempt.So we speak to one another about the pros and cons. It's not entirely entirely certain and all proven, it's a new technology after all, but it seems to reduce both incidence and gravity. But we GET it. It's a necessary leap of faith. Yes there's some social pressure to get vaccinated, as there should be. It's a mater of survival.
Croatia has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the EU, around 50%. There is a public debate as to why this is so and what can be done.The fact of the mater is that trust of the average citizens in one another, in one's neighbours, is close to zero in the DRC. This sentiment may be well-founded in their case but it still creates a lot of problems.
That such a sentiment be justified in Congo doesn't make it justified where I live, where reasonable levels of trust in one's neighbours, as well as in public institutions still exist, and for good reason, and where this trust is an asset. — Olivier5
I am trying NOT TO UNDERMINE trust. — Olivier5
So the question is: how many times does the consensus of experts need to be proven true before we simply (as laypeople) trust them?
— Xtrix
Irrelevant. What is relevant is what happens on the ground level.
Ie. in terms of medicine, what is relevant is how actual doctors and other medical personnel actually interact with actual patients. This is the level at which trust is build, or destroyed. — baker
Irrelevant. — baker
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