For anyone still keeping up with this bill (arguably the most important news story there is), what do we think will happen here? A watered down version or nothing whatsoever? The clock is ticking. — Xtrix
Is the issue how much the bill costs, or how much it will do? — Gary M Washburn
I think that things will (hopefully) change once the Sept 27th vote happens since moderates seem to be thinking that the bipartisan bill will pass in spite of the progressives promises to block it, either with republican support, or progressives caving. If it passes somehow anyways, then we could be looking at a $1.5 trillion reconciliation bill (the topline number Manchin said he'd be willing to support allegedly). If it fails, then we could see the bill be $2.5 trillion (a basic compromise between the $1.5 and $3.5 trillion). I don't think that the $3.5 trillion has any chance of passing. The bill will be watered down, but by how much is the question. — Mr Bee
So it's really a question of how much notoriety will satisfy him. — Gary M Washburn
The deadline for one vote is tomorrow— this week will be crucial. Between these bills and the debt ceiling, it’ll be interesting to see if the democrats can pull it off. — Xtrix
I think that’s a good start. — Xtrix
Sounds interesting, what is the actual plan?Putting the U.S. on track to run on 80% clean electricity and to cut economy-wide carbon emissions in HALF by 2030 — Xtrix
is this worth the philosopher (or student of philosophy, or teacher of philosophy) "getting involved" for? Meaning becoming politically engaged? If not this, what -- if anything? Or do some still believe activism, politics, and topical issues are below the man of thinking, the intellectual? — Xtrix
That having been said, the instant bill is garbage, as it includes provisions for the growth of deficits by over the next decade. This is not what is needed by the American government. Rather what is needed is the exercise of fiscal self-control, and keeping spending within the budget dictated by tax revenues. Deficit spending has caused the U.S. to experience the greatest national debt ever imagined, and still growing... — Michael Zwingli
And yet there was time when that was the substance!and instead try to keep my eye on substance. — James Riley
I say throw caution to the wind. Debt shmedt. Or, as we used to say, fuck around fuck around soon you won't be around. Republicans can go suck a dick. — James Riley
Besides, tax revenue has never funded the U.S. The U.S. rides on the world's use of the dollar and we have the printer. — James Riley
I don't like deficit spending by Republicans any more than by Democrats. In my view, both parties are utterly corrupted, and all but worthless to us. These two identifiers have become no more than ways to choose your poison, in my view. — Michael Zwingli
This only works so long as the dollar is used and trusted by the world. One big fuck-up, one default, and that could easily go out the window. Don't forget, the "American century" is well in the rear view mirror, now; now there is fiscal competition for us. — Michael Zwingli
For someone who doesn't give a fuck you sure seem worried about the economy. — James Riley
But as one wag recently said, this exercise has taught us that we are not an economy, we are a community. — James Riley
ure, but we have an economy upon which our welfare is dependent. Venezuela is a community as well, (if you can really call a large, modern, diverse nation-state "a community", anyways), but the economy is all fucked up. I don't think either of us would want to live there right now. — Michael Zwingli
Civilian Climate Corps? Hundreds of thousands in this Corps?
What does it do? Would it do something that is already done with something other? — ssu
That having been said, the instant bill is garbage, as it includes provisions for the growth of deficits by over the next decade. This is not what is needed by the American government. Rather what is needed is the exercise of fiscal self-control, and keeping spending within the budget dictated by tax revenues. Deficit spending has caused the U.S. to experience the greatest national debt ever imagined, and still growing... A lack of self control, in governments as in individuals, can but lead to disaster, in my view. — Michael Zwingli
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