As long as vaccination is not actually legally mandatory, suspending or firing someone for not being vaccinated is illegal. — baker
Every day, people get fired for being fat, for getting a tattoo, for being of the wrong religion (all of which would be illegal), but the termination document doesn't list those as reasons, but something more general. — baker
But why have so many Republicans refused to take their shots? Some, of course, have bought into the wild claims about side effects and sinister conspiracies that circulate on social media. But they’re probably a small minority.
Almost surely, mainstream right-wing media outlets, especially Fox News, have played a much bigger role. These outlets generally steer away from clearly falsifiable assertions — they have to worry about lawsuits. But they nonetheless want to do all they can to undermine the Biden administration, so they have done their best to raise doubts about the vaccines’ safety and effectiveness.
The effect has been to encourage many Republicans to think of getting vaccinated as an imposition, a cost they’re being asked to bear rather than a benefit they’re being offered — and, of course, something they’re primed to oppose precisely because it’s something Democrats want to see happen. Medical experts may say that going unvaccinated greatly increases your risk of getting seriously ill or dying, but hey, what do they know?
— Krugman, NY TIMES — Xtrix
I think there is such a convergence concerning childhood vaccination , despite your naysayers. — Joshs
No, there are already plenty of polls out there — Joshs
suss out contrarian opinions and see how the medical mainstream responds to them. — Joshs
I didnt say the dominant paradigm is more useful than all the alternatives , only that it has to be respected for convincing its many adherents that it is the most useful approach. In that sense it has earned its stripes — Joshs
The reason we’re dealing with so many climate change deniers and anti-vaxxers is that they don’t believe there is a legitimate consensus. That is, they either dispute the numbers of experts who are on board , or impugn their motives. — Joshs
Kuhn did indeed set pen to paper , and what did he say? He said that choice of paradigms was essentially an aesthetic choice. There’s merit in aesthetics. — Joshs
I think there is such a convergence concerning childhood vaccination , despite your naysayers.
— Joshs
The JCVI in the UK have just advised against rolling out childhood vaccination, so I don't know where you're getting your 'consensus' from. — Isaac
You found an article written by a science journalist which disagreed with three professors in epidemiology and the entire UK Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation. Why? Because it supported a view you already had - come on, you know this stuff, why have you suddenly become an absolutists about narratives on this one topic. — Isaac
You know about confirmation bias, you know how we build our representations to reflect our expectations and interact with the world to construct our beliefs (or belief/world constructs). I can't think why I'm having to go through all this as if you were a freshman. — Isaac
Kuhn did indeed set pen to paper , and what did he say? He said that choice of paradigms was essentially an aesthetic choice. There’s merit in aesthetics.
— Joshs
Indeed, so we can drop all the bullshit about weighing up articles and polling the numbers of experts. You know as well as I do that people adopt beliefs as interactive parts of the social narrative and change them only when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. — Isaac
As long as vaccination is not actually legally mandatory, suspending or firing someone for not being vaccinated is illegal.
— baker
Citation, please.
— tim wood
Read again. I'm stating a truism. — baker
As long as vaccination is not actually legally mandatory, suspending or firing someone for not being vaccinated is illegal.
— baker
And again: this is completely wrong.
Last month, before Biden's announcement, many companies had implemented COVID vaccine mandates. Especially after it was FDA approved.
In the United States, which is what I'm talking about, beyond some laws about discrimination, an employee is expected to comply with the terms and conditions of employment. They can be fired for not doing so. Period.
The terms and conditions of employment do not have to be legally mandatory. You can be fired for not wearing appropriate attire, or for a host of other violations of conditions and rules internal to a company. None of it has anything to do with the general laws of the country. There are no laws about wearing green, for example.
Every day, people get fired for being fat, for getting a tattoo, for being of the wrong religion (all of which would be illegal), but the termination document doesn't list those as reasons, but something more general.
— baker
It is openly stated that if you are not vaccinated (unless there's a legitimate exemption), you will be terminated. That is not illegal. — Xtrix
Property rights allow a business to fire people who aren't vaccinated. If Baker comes from a very socialist country, there might be more restrictions on firing people. — frank
In the US you can sue for wrongful termination. — frank
you’re missing something vital about how bias, expectations , frames of reference and paradigms organize our thinking. — Joshs
That’s not what Kuhn said at all. You’re confusing him with Popper, whose approach is much more consonant with yours than Kuhn’s is. — Joshs
I don't seem to have trouble, out in the real world, I don't find even my worst critics have so totally misinterpreted the things I say as to make them appear almost opposite on any given issues. And then there's here... — Isaac
There's that saying -- "People of substance don't post much on internet forums."
I agree with this, and its obviously ironic implication. — baker
Online communication would probably look quite different if everyone would post from their offices, fully dressed and presentable, with laced shoes. — baker
not listening — baker
No, the issue is the exact wording of the termination, not the actual reason for the termination.
The wording has to be in accordance with the law for the termination to be legal. — baker
Firing someone for not being vaccinated, here in the US, is completely legal — both in wording and in reason. — Xtrix
What role, if any, do the machinists of the long-running anti-vaxxer machines play? Do they assume any responsibility (of avoidable suffering/death)? Do they care about the consequences of their yelling? I don't recall them telling the friends/families of ☣ victims that they're sorry anyway. — jorndoe
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