Labor is the only prayer that Nature answers: It is the only prayer that deserves an answer—good, honest, noble work.
— Robert G. Ingersoll
Amor fati (i.e. "amen"). — 180 Proof
I'm curious how you associate these quotes. — 180 Proof
However entering the economic system itself was a forced game — schopenhauer1
This is a historical / political condition, however, not an ineluctable existential fact. — 180 Proof
So the default position for the modern person is to think that to be anti-work is to be anti-social. — schopenhauer1
Yes it has to be played to survive but the fact that we are forced to play it at all lest we die an agonizingly slow death by starvation — schopenhauer1
Ludic fallacy. Read NN Taleb.Even as you decry one form of exploitation (Capitalism) you turn away from another (forced game of life). — schopenhauer1
An oxymoronic fiction like e.g. "noble savage", "p-zombie", "rational actor", "utility maximizer" which I call the "Old Plantation fallacy" (or White Man's Burden fallacy). Specious nonsense, schop1. :shade:Like the happy slave ...
Ludic fallacy. Read NN Taleb. — 180 Proof
An oxymoronic fiction like e.g. "noble savage", "p-zombie", "rational actor", "utility maximizer" which I call the "Old Plantation fallacy" (or White Man's Burden fallacy). Specious nonsense, schop1. :shade: — 180 Proof
Life is not a game. — 180 Proof
2. Slaves are not happy. — 180 Proof
3. Making an argument with false or nonsensical premises (such as 1 & 2) necessarily reaches a false or nonsensical conclusion. — 180 Proof
A game is an abstraction, life is not. Maps =/=
territory. (Taleb) — 180 Proof
Persons coerced within or trapped by involuntary servitude diminish, not flourish. (Aristotle, Marx) — 180 Proof
3. On this basis, your argument is nonsensical. — 180 Proof
Flourishing is biological-ecological, not "political". — 180 Proof
So the tramps go penniless cause the wood chopper was cheap — schopenhauer1
Is acting work? Painting? Gardening? How about anyone who is financially independent but still chooses to work because they like it? — Tom Storm
I m not sure I got what's your actual question. Why anti work to be wrong in first place? Someone believes that having to work for his entire life is unfair and wrong. So? It is a simple matter of personal belief. How can someone find it wrong? To disagree with it?Sure Yes. But wrong? Why?
On the contrary others love working and they would be miserable if they didn't, even if they weren't forced to play the game as you mentioned,they would have invented it!
Maybe I m missing something here but I can't understand where the problem is. — dimosthenis9
But yield who will to their separation,
My object in living is to unite
My avocation and my vocation
As my two eyes make one in sight.
Only where love and need are one,
And the work is play for mortal stakes,
Is the deed ever really done
For heaven and the future’s sakes. — T Clark
Was saying, sort of even though they were "right" he still chopped the would cause of the reasons he provided uniting avocation and vocation. — schopenhauer1
Ok that's better. Well yes then, imo, at the very end forced work is wrong indeed. And that's why I think that some day that will change. Cause it is logical humanity to move towards that direction.
Even in the veryyyy distant future. Work will become totally voluntary, I think.Meaning that people could live and not starve without forced work. But if they choose to work, then they would gain more. — dimosthenis9
It's funny. As I was looking for the text of the poem online, I came across a paper that discussed this. It was a summary of past reviews of the poem. Apparently most reviewers saw it the same way you did, i.e. as a sign of Frost's lack of charity. I was flabbergasted. So, if you want to interpret it that way, at least you're in good company. — T Clark
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