Generically, I reject fate outright. I'm agnostic about determinism. And I'm agnostic about free will. This definition of fate roughly fits into the concept of fate that I reject. This particular definition of free will I have conceptual issues with, requisite to fit my free will agnosticism. So I don't quite mesh well with the fate/free will ying/yang concept here.Now, Fate is defined as: “the development of events beyond a person’s control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power.” And, as for Free-Will, this is defined as: “the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one’s own discretion.” — Lindsay
so I believe that there are certain things that it can do beyond our human understanding. — Lindsay
But thank you for being so civil about it, not many people would be. This is the first post I've started so I appreciate that. — Lindsay
However, I believe in both, because, they are polar opposites just like yin and yang is. One side is more abstract than the other. It’s subversive that Fate is all about giving up control and trusting that the universe has all the answers and everything is up to “Fate” in itself, which essentially means you have no control over your own life, because, it was pretty much already been written since the day you were conceived...or even perhaps sooner. While on the other hand we have “Free-Will”, which puts YOU in the driver’s seat; you are what makes your life what it is now and where it will be going in the future, and the how and the why is completely up to you...make your own life as it is based on your decisions/choices and actions. — Lindsay
I feel that both is necessary for the world to keep spinning. You can’t have Free-Will without Fate having dictated saying that it is allowed to exist as an idea at all. And you can’t have Fate without Free-Will, because Fate itself needs information of what kinds of actions you take and decisions you make to get to know you better in order to better decide what parts of your life that Fate adopts as some things about yourself that will never change, and the things that CAN CHANGE is up to your ability of having Free-Will. — Lindsay
So they are polar opposites, but they also thread into one another like two layers of corsets/spanx. Basically, they WORK TOGETHER without most of us even realizing that’s what is happening at the time. I wonder to myself at times, how common is it that people ponder that question highlighted above? And why have I never heard of people talking about them at the same time instead of just one or the other?
Has to be a mystery for now. — Lindsay
But I do think that, metaphysically, the universe is an living entity in itself, so I believe that there are certain things that it can do beyond our human understanding. — Lindsay
Amor fati! :smirk: :up:It's probably healthier to believe in some kind of free will. All I need to do is believe and [v]oila, like Baron von Munchausen hoisting himself up by his pony tail in the swamp, I'll levitate out of my depressing existence. Think positive thoughts and take flight with the metaphysical placebo. — Nils Loc
It's probably healthier to believe in some kind of free will. All I need to do is believe and whoila, like Baron von Munchausen hoisting himself up by his pony tail in the swamp, I'll levitate out of my depressing existence. Think positive thoughts and take flight with the metaphysical placebo. — Nils Loc
Yeah, we are fated to "chose our fate". :up: — 180 Proof
Natality, causality and oblivion.What's the difference between fate, determinism, and destiny? — TheMadFool
Natality, causality and oblivion. — 180 Proof
Do I experience such things? Yes. Constantly.“the development of events beyond a person’s control” — Lindsay
Do I experience such things? Yes. Constantly.“the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one’s own discretion.” — Lindsay
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