What we know from experience, boyo, is that brains have such components, not that minds do. To get from the former conclusion to the latter you would have to assume that brains are minds. Yet they're not. — Bartricks
Who says I define it intrinsically? You do. I not. — GraveItty
Like I say, if you think there is no intrinsic difference between a 'female' mind and a 'male' mind, — Bartricks
On the other hand, if you think that there are female minds - that minds alone can have a sex - then your view is distinct from mine and I want to know what it is about a female mind that makes it female. — Bartricks
If you have evidence that brains have certain components, then to get from that to the conclusion that minds have those components, one would have to add the premise that our minds are our brains. — Bartricks
Every mind we know has a material carrier. — SolarWind
... I want to know what it is about a female mind that makes it female. — Bartricks
What would God have free will about? What would god have to decide? After all, this is an all-powerful all-knowing being. What's left to decide? And two questions pending, 1) you know a lot about God, wwwww&h is he? and 2) you have not responded substantively to this:To which the answer is that yes, God does have free will. — Bartricks
Of course, there is a problem. There's a stone and he can't lift it. If he does lift it, then he has not created one that he cannot lift. Omnipotence is a contradictory concept that people have created. — SolarWind
Premise 1: somethings are pious while others are sin.
Premise 2: God decides which is pious or not because he is all knowing. — Vanbrainstorm
Deduction: if God decides somethings as pious and somethings as sin, he, before hand, was endowed with knowledge. — Vanbrainstorm
He was programmed to be this God that labels some actions as pious and others as sin. — Vanbrainstorm
Where does morality come from? Is it there for God to find and set or is it set by God in the first place?
If it is God that finds it, it implies there is a higher order he obeys, and if he sets it in the first place, by what mechanisms does he reach those decisions to make some actions pious and some other sin. How does he know? — Vanbrainstorm
And to answer ur question, having all powers doesn't actually mean he has free will.
Being all powerful and with out free will can go together.
I am able to do anything that is humanly possible yet I am not without free will. — Vanbrainstorm
No, I mean he can do it. I think you don't understand omnipotence. Being omnipotent means being able to do anything. So, he can create a stone that is too heavy for him to lift. I fail to see what you're having trouble grasping.
If he did that - if he created that stone - then he'd no longer be omnipotent. Being able to not be omnipotent is an ability an omnipotent being has. It's just an ability that an omnipotent being, by hypothesis, does not exercise.
This isn't hard. — Bartricks
minds 'depend' for their existence on bodies. — Bartricks
minds, despite not being bodies, nevertheless have sexes. — Bartricks
Morality is - must be - God's creation, for were it not, God would not be omnipotent. — Bartricks
And that mind will, by dint of being Reason, be all-powerful. For Reason determines everything - what's true, what's known and so on. — Bartricks
Joking aside. Since I do not believe that there is a mind beyond matter, there is also no female mind (beyond matter). — SolarWind
What does it matter if the will is free or not? What matters is that others don't put their will on it. That can make the will unfree. — GraveItty
God cannot overcome logic though. can he? He cannot be both omnipotent and be unable to lift a stone. — Janus
Bachelors are able to have wives. There isn't some strange forcefield preventing them from going down the aisle. But if a bachelor takes a wife, then that person ceases thereby to be a bachelor. That doesn't mean that prior to doing so the bachelor is not a bachelor. — Bartricks
Explain. You frequently talk about how you don’t think God created everything. So why is this particular creation required to be omnipotent? — khaled
Here is an argument that goes in the other direction, namely from morality to God. Morality is made of directives and values that have a single unifying source, Reason. That is, the directives and values of morality are among the directives of Reason (as is widely acknowledged). Now, minds and only minds can issue directives or value things. And thus the one unifying source of all moral norms and values - Reason - must be a mind. And that mind will, by dint of being Reason, be all-powerful. For Reason determines everything - what's true, what's known and so on. Thus Reason is an all powerful mind. And as Reason determines what's known, Reason will also be all-knowing. And as an all powerful mind can reasonably be taken to be exactly was she wants and values herself being, and as we have already established that moral values are no more or less than her values, Reason will be all-good too. Thus, the source of all morality - Reason - is a mind who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. God, in other words. — Bartricks
Poor analogy! If a bachelor takes a wife they cease to be a bachelor. A bachelor cannot defy logic by remaining a bachelor and at the same time taking a wife. Similarly, if God creates a stone he cannot lift he ceases to be omnipotent. The point being that God cannot create a situation wherein he is both simultaneously omnipotent and unable to lift a stone, because that would be to defy logic. If God cannot defy logic, then he is subject to logic, just like the rest of us. — Janus
So, an omnipotent mind is able to create a stone it is unable to lift and lift it. That is, nothing prevents an omnipotent mind rewriting the laws of logic such that they permit there to be a person who is unable to lift a rock that he can lift. — Bartricks
I just presented an argument showing why morality is God's creation — Bartricks
Morality is - must be - God's creation, for were it not, God would not be omnipotent — Bartricks
And yes, I do not believe that omnipotence requires having to have created everything. — Bartricks
it does involve being Reason — Bartricks
How can the mind that determines what is reasonable, lift a rock? Or can it not? How can the mind that determines what is reasonable affect those that refuse to listen to reason such as yourself? Or can it not? — khaled
Now you're changing your story. — Janus
You and your God sure are lousy exemplars of reason — Janus
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