I am not entirely sure what it means to say God is eternal. — Bartricks
Changeless = Time doesn't exist. — TheMadFool
God being omniscient is the opposite of us being limited in knowledge. — SpaceDweller
If we are limited in knowledge (compare to God's knowledge) we can conclude the knowledge of God is unlimited or infinite. — SpaceDweller
My point here is I see no problem with assigning infinite property to God compared to finite one. (God is not God if limited) — SpaceDweller
God and time are therefore infinite in every aspect, however obvious is, while God is omnipotent this does not apply to time. — SpaceDweller
It's quite simple. It means they have existed forever. — GraveItty
What the F do I care about a debate going on? — GraveItty
Anyway, I can't think of an equivalent for quasi-eternity. There is no beginning and there is no end. — James Riley
Changeless = Time doesn't exist.
— TheMadFool
But that's false, as I argued in the OP. If time exists, then an event will change in its temporal properties. So change cannot require time, but is instead something time requires.
If, as I have argued, God created time, then it is God who changes his temporal sensations about an event and, in so doing, brings it about that the event goes from being future, to being present, to being past. — Bartricks
What do you suppose God creating time means? What does it look like? — TheMadFool
Re properties: temporal properties are properties, it's just they're not intrinsic properties. The same is true of spatial properties. My location is a property of my body. It is not an intrinsic property of my body, for my body would be the same body in a different location. But nevertheless, it is a property of my body that it is in the location that it is in. And temporal properties are the same, I think — Bartricks
The claim that time 'flows' is a metaphor and, I think, a misleading one, as it invites us to think of time as a kind of liquid. Yet if my arguments are correct, that is quite the wrong way to conceive of time. Time is relevantly analogous to, say, pain or love. We might talk of the ebb and flow of pain or love, but we mean by this the manner in which they become more or less intense. That is how things are with time too. An event becomes more past, not by 'flowing' further down the river of time, but by the sensation of pastness becoming more intense in God. — Bartricks
My second argument tells you: time is made of sensations and their absence. — Bartricks
First, the argument from God. God is all powerful by definition. From this we can conclude that God created time. Why? Because if time exists, then one is subject to it. And so if God did not create time, then God would be subject to something he did not create, which is incompatible with being omnipotent. So, given that God would be subject to time if time exists, something which would be incompatible with his omnipotence were he not to have himself created time, God created time. — Bartricks
God is all powerful — Bartricks
Bartricks'theory is riddled with contradictions. — TheMadFool
I don't accept any contradictions. Thinking a contradiction 'can' be true is not equivelent to thinking it is actually true. — Bartricks
it is impossible for anything at the same time to be and not to be — Aristotle
But if time does exist, then God's mind will either exist in the present, or in the past, or in the future, or some combination. — Bartricks
God's mind — Bartricks
Once more: if time exists, then an existent mind is either past, present or future. Those exhaust the possibilities. — Bartricks
I have never argued that minds are not bodies because we can say 'I have a body'. — Bartricks
I think there are no true contradictions. — Bartricks
From this we can conclude that God created time. Why? Because if time exists, then one is subject to it. And so if God did not create time, then God would be subject to something he did not create, which is incompatible with being omnipotent. — Bartricks
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