The brain exhibits delta waves when a person is alive.
Science has proved that death is not sleep. — The Opposite
there
is
no godot
but
Death,
and
Sleep
is
her prophet. — 180 Proof
1. Brain + Delta waves (Dreamless sleep) = Death (not brain dead) — TheMadFool
This is the part I disagree with. Why equate dreamless sleep with death? There's zero evidence connecting them — The Opposite
our best guess — TheMadFool
By the way, do you have any evidence that death isn't a dreamless sleep? — TheMadFool
Why is it our best? It's quite basic to compare a sleeping person with a dead person merely because both are stationary. — The Opposite
No. But you and no other have evidence that death isn't 'a pre-birth state', heaven/hell, purgatory, a lingering spirit or any number of unimaginable afterlives. — The Opposite
What's better then? — TheMadFool
a dreamless sleep — TheMadFool
Remember (the minor gods) Thanatos & Hypnos are twins. :fire:Insofar as perception matters, [dreamless sleep < death].
"there
is
no godot
but
Death,
and
Sleep
is
her prophet."
~180 Proof — TheMadFool
Remember (the minor gods) Thanatos & Hypnos are twins. :fire: — 180 Proof
Check out the link with their names to an old post where I reply to you about "pain". — 180 Proof
I don't think there is a better... — The Opposite
My take on desirability/appeal in descending order of preference:
Hedonic value
1. Joy [Best-case scenario]
2. Painless [Not bad]
3. Some pain, some joy [Manageable]
3. Painful [Worst-case scenario]
Realness value
1. Real [Want]
2. Illusion [Don't want]
Unfortunately, it's pain that, in a sense, keeps it real. Ergo, if we want not to lose touch with reality, we must not only accept pain but, oddly, even hope that we experience it. If we reject pain, there's a chance that we might be living in an illusion. — TheMadFool
Pains occupy a distinct and vital place in the philosophy of mind for several reasons.[17] One is that pains seem to collapse the appearance/reality distinction.[18] If an object appears to you to be red it might not be so in reality, but if you seem to yourself to be in pain you must be so: there can be no case here of seeming at all. — Private Language Argument
"Pain" itself does not indicate reality (e.g. nocebos, phanthom limb, angst, phobias, etc). That there is resistance to our efforts, resistances to acting and thinking, that the involuntary constrains and thereby enables 'the voluntary' (i.e. whatever we want, desire, prefer ...) discloses reality to (not merely "for") us. Whether or not "the world is a simulation", we belong to the world and therefore "we are simulations" too of that "world-simulation"; it's this "belonging to" that is involuntary, ineluctable, and constitutive of us/any entity being real. We equivocate the word reality by saying reality is otherwise, or, contra Occam, when we fiat (a) "reality beyond" – real-er than – reality" (ad nauseam ad absurdum) like ... "life after life". :pray:
NB: My formula – reality is that which encompasses reasoning that reasoning, therefore, necessarily cannot encompass, or exceed (just as no part is equal to or greater than the whole to which it belongs (à la a 'map =/= the territory' ... 'a pixel =/= the hologram' ... 'a set =/= the continuum' ...)) :fire: — 180 Proof
Perhaps I am a little slow on the uptake, could you clarify how your post relates to my own? — boagie
I suffer from anxiety and for the last 10 or so hours I'm having an episode — TheMadFool
Yeah. Sunning in the Garden, then watching the rain from the Porch till our skies clear again.It's good to know the Porch and the Garden have some views in common. — Ciceronianus
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