"Good" and "evil" are mostly just arbitrary terms we give to different things according the metrics our morality/systems of belief tell us to assign to them. But beyond our preexisting systems of belief there is no clear way to explain why something is good or evil.
Take for example the cells in our body. When they are behaving in the way we want them to they are generally considered "good" but when they do not (like when they are cancer cells) they considered "bad" or "evil". However such cells don't really choose whether they either help or hinder the body since they are not really conscience of what they are doing nor are they aware of how their behavior either helps or hurts their host nor if their actions really benefits them or not. this is more or less true of all any and all animals who are not sentient and can not really be "moral agents".
In essence anything that isn't human or sentient (or even human but not really sentient) falls into a category or problem called "natural evil".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_evil#:~:text=Natural%20evil%20is%20evil%20for,of%20the%20laws%20of%20nature.
However the existence of natural evil begs the question, if man is influenced by most of the same problems and limitations of as other animals, cells, forces of nature, etc. how can we are considered "objective moral agents" when pretty much everything in nature is not. Is it or is it not considered wise to expect human beings in many ways as fallible (or perhaps sometimes more fallible) then the cells in our body which can be expected to go "bad" from time to time?
— dclements
Wow.... Truly am grateful for your time and response, as I am everyone in this feed, really. Thank you all for thinking this out with me. There is some underlying thing driving the need to understand and have an answer to, what it is I see here.
dclements
.... You take me to the very point I have been trying to build to with all this weaving around. I needed the basis laid in order to makebetter sense of what it is I see, without being discarded as absolutely nuts, lol.
Behind the evil and the good, is some metadata of some sort, that presents us with a version of our Belief/s. From here, we add colour.
Data comes in, we give it colour, and "it" fills in the Forme, that our Belief gives it.... This is my hypothesis, after deciphering many things written in stone, written for Posterity. These things, along with the alchemists of old, as Fulcanelli clearly states, were not looking for gold in the form of the metal we all know and love.
I see, after all these years, the Path to the island Hesperides, and much more than even this. Four and Three and Two and One.... Two Waters, made One....
Perspective alone assures us of the experience of belief. Knowledge and belief are two different things. Knowledge is based on forms, the letter of the spirit behind the form. But belief is the invisible that takes form, depending upon the ingredients provided by said belief.
The belief of the existence of evil, at all, is what allows for the infinite manifestations of evil that we experience daily.
— PseudoB — PseudoB
Evil is evident but surely not preexisting.Some will say that evil is evident, and preexisting. — PseudoB
If you don't believe evil exists then what's the point to acknowledge good exists?The belief of the existence of evil, at all, is what allows for the infinite manifestations of evil that we experience daily. — PseudoB
No they don't want to be pretty, it's God that wanted to make them in the image of God (himself)Adam and Eve want to be beautiful to God — Varde
God puts them in a Garden of Eden where there is the apple which is knowledge of beauty — Varde
No it's knowledge of what good and what's evil. — SpaceDweller
I believe there is nothing wrong with attempting to interpret the bible as an art rather than trough faith.The Bible is good art to me, religion to you, perhaps we have different interpretations. — Varde
Thus good and evil enter the world in the form of the implementation of choices of imagined possible futures. Thus is the human condition, for example, that we currently see the possibility of destroying the environment, whereas the buffalo do not see that they transform nature, or imagine that they could do otherwise; we do, and thus are condemned to choose. — unenlightened
I believe there is nothing wrong with attempting to interpret the bible as an art rather than trough faith. — SpaceDweller
How do you define human condition? Is it something that includes conscience and soul?
Or is it based human desire and instinkt? — SpaceDweller
I believe there is nothing wrong with attempting to interpret the bible as an art rather than trough faith. — SpaceDweller
Thus good and evil enter the world in the form of the implementation of choices of imagined possible futures. Such is the human condition — unenlightened
We can have many choices in specific situations, some are better than the others, however no matter how many choices we have all of them can be grouped as either good or bad. — SpaceDweller
As it appears to me, after years of research, and aligning with Hebrews 11:1-3, saying that the things we sense are made of things we cannot sense, that Genesis actually reveals some much more foundational things than is acknowledged even by the Church. If we consider that in the beginning all was perfect, then this negates the existence of evil.... That is of course until we are presented with the knowledge thereof. — PseudoB
The snake in the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was a fallen angel that manipulated Adam and Eve. — TheQuestion
And validated by [link] https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/israelites-ask-for-a-king_bible/ [/link]46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done. 47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. 48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
-- John 11:46-48
Yes, I understand the serpent is a manifestation of the fallen one, ha'satan, but here again I have to ask, what is an angel?? Is it not a "messenger"? So, this is the core play on the Agreement issue, the play on the free will choice of who/what to believe. At least, this is my Perspective. But ths Perspective unlocks access to a ton of spiritual things that have been "hidden", and dare I say, deliberately, as per Scripture: — PseudoB
A realistic scenario
"That's impossible! It cannot be Smith who did this."
"Then who did it?"
"It has to be Brown!" — TheMadFool
I can show you a link that can explains it better than I can.
I call it the Bible Project is very informative and I think is up your ally. — TheQuestion
"You" call it The Bible Project?? — PseudoB
"Good" and "evil" are mostly just arbitrary terms we give to different things according the metrics our morality/systems of belief tell us to assign to them. But beyond our preexisting systems of belief there is no clear way to explain why something is good or evil. — PseudoB
Generally speaking, good tends towards life and being. Evil tends towards nothingness. Augustine defines evil as an absence of good/being. The loss of God and being, brought about by the fall, leads to evil and nothingness. — EnPassant
You have the audacity to say how hard the bible is to understand, yet you make claim to having something I apparently do not have? Simply because you don't "get it"?? Whatever dude. — PseudoB
But I didn’t mean to offend. God Bless in your pursuit and I hope you find what you are looking for. — TheQuestion
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