You don't agree that in an extensional, referentially transparent context, all fiction is false? — bongo fury
Language games take place in space, two. — Banno
placing space somehow independent of time would also be problematic - they have been together since Einstein. — Banno
the thesis is that underlying these various Western interpretations is a fundamentally Greek one: constant presence, ousia.
— Xtrix
...and why should we fall back to this anachronistic greek interpretation when we have better ones in our formal logic? — Banno
why should we fall back to this anachronistic greek interpretation when we have better ones in our formal logic?
— Banno
Because formal logic depends on the notion of the self-identical object. — Joshs
Why not set up an extensional, referentially transparent domain that is Tolkien's world? — Banno
Not only is this not an answer, it's not even on the same topic; but also, a=a is an extension of first-order calculus; and certainly not something it is dependent on. — Banno
The conclusion is, again, that there is nothing to be learned in this thread. — Banno
Ok, I will grant that it is an answer. But it is an answer that is both irrelevant and wrong. So it's not a good answer. — Banno
What does first order calculus depend on? A=A is a relation between A and A. But what presupposition lies behind the invocation of ‘a’? What does A have to consist of at minimum in order for it to play a role in a=a? We obviously have to assume that it is present in front of us as an entity of some sort. Doesn’t first order calculus assume this? Isn’t first order calculus a syntax, and doesn’t a syntax need something to operate on? — Joshs
What the fuck is being? — Tom Storm
Yeah. Might be time to leave this thread. Nothing to see here.I've learned that it is possible to fill 23 pages about one not very interesting word. — Tom Storm
It is not what logic is based on. — Banno
Last chance. — Banno
what is taken as granted in our conversation — Banno
I think the question is, can you give an account of what "taking as granted" is? How does it work? How is it possible? — Srap Tasmaner
To me this seems like a mere thought experiment. The totally of sensations always provides for a reference of duration. The body itself generates difference all the time - think of circulating blood or breath. It is not only external objects one would focus on that generates change. It is not even sensations that come clearly to mind as such if you think of the feelings of rest or unrest.for example.If that is the case, then any object that changes is missing here; and since "something" runs its course in every process, no process is in question. There is nothing here that changes, and for that reason it also makes no sense to speak of something that endures. It is nonsensical to want to find something here that remains unchanged for even an instant during the course of its duration. — Joshs
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