Is the limitations on travel and gathering not state control?
— NOS4A2
No, it is not. There is, at least in the U.S., a Constitutional Right to travel. But you may have to walk if you don't want to get a driver's license and if you want to use our roads. See the difference? No? I didn't think so. — James Riley
Human population growth. — James Riley
Earlier I was speaking about the compulsory vaccination in Austria. — NOS4A2
Your evidence for state control not existing is to list evidence of state control. Brilliant. — NOS4A2
Are you vaccinated? — john27
How are compulsory vaccinations, lockdowns, limitations on travel, gatherings, not state control? — NOS4A2
But lockdowns, limitations on travel, gatherings, industry, trade, have and are occurring worldwide. All I can say is that it is weird that you pretend they don’t exist, even as an exercise in casuistry. — NOS4A2
You tried, I guess, but the teaching is so authoritarian and statist that I cannot help to reject it. The parallels between your beliefs and that of fascism are frighteningly similar, I’m afraid, that my revulsion is visceral. So it goes, I guess. — NOS4A2
There is a Liberal theory of freedom, and there is a Fascist concept of liberty. For we, too, maintain the necessity of safeguarding the conditions that make for the free development of the individual; we, too, believe that the oppression of individual personality can find no place in the modern state. We do not, however, accept a bill of rights which tends to make the individual superior to the state and to empower him to act in opposition to society. Our concept of liberty is that the individual must be allowed to develop his personality in behalf of the state, for these ephemeral and infinitesimal elements of the complex and permanent life of society determine by their normal growth the development of the state. But this individual growth must be normal. A huge and disproportionate development of the individual of classes, would prove as fatal to society as abnormal growths are to living organisms. Freedom therefore is due to the citizen and to classes on condition that they exercise it in the interest of society as a whole and within the limits set by social exigencies, liberty being, like any other individual right, a concession of the state.
Basic civics according to Mussolini. — NOS4A2
manifestly untrue — NOS4A2
What of that which I enjoy has the left, society, and civic-minded people brought to me? — NOS4A2
Your example speaks of Mohammed Ali being jailed because he refused the draft. I'll pass. — NOS4A2
Your description of the state as an overbearing parent is quite apt, so I can appreciate the analogy. — NOS4A2
Anticipatorily, or responsively, the group can do nothing, all the way up to and including public torture and execution of the individual. — James Riley
We can only imagine what might have happened had officialdom stayed out of the whole thing, but I bet we would have faired better without it. — NOS4A2
Every single solitary thing that you love or like, and which you currently enjoy (beyond the non-human natural environment), was brought to you by the left, by society, by civic minded people. — James Riley
Presumably we agree on limiting the virus replicating, propagating, mutating? — jorndoe
So we will never defeat Covid unless 100% of the world's population is vaccinated? Then Covid will never be defeated because you will never reach 100% world vaccination.They are,if there were any. But you don't have to get vaxxed, you don't have to stay home, you can still gather. That is why we haven't defeated Covid. DOH! — James Riley
The collective is like the European colonizers bribing the natives with beads and necklaces. — Tzeentch
You are only seeing things in black and white. There is a middle ground - which is Libertarianism. Libertarianism is for limited government, not no government. But as a Libertarian, I recognize that unfettered power in any form, not just government (which is a form of power and control), is a threat to individual liberty. Corporations should have their powers checked as much as the governments. Monopolies need to be broken up and competition promoted.To understand the libertarian mind, remember the mantra: the government is the problem.
Don’t bother asking what the alternative is. — Xtrix
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