polite requests to mask, distance and vax, — James Riley
Collectivism is not about government handouts. — frank
(sorry, "left" and 'right" just cause confusion. It's collectivist and liberal.) — frank
Collectivism is not about government handouts.
— frank
Indeed. Much like in my example, it is about coercion, bribery and indoctrination. — Tzeentch
I prefer the term "authoritarianism", for which collectivism is a euphemism. — Tzeentch
Let it run. — Book273
[...] I got the injection. It won't do shit anyway, but I get to keep working. Only now I have less respect for my employer, and I would love to park my truck on the CEO's face. — Book273
No, there's authoritarian liberalism. — frank
A collective can be democratic in theory. — frank
That seems like an oxymoron to me. I think someone who is considered an authoritarian liberal is in fact just simply an authoritarian. — Tzeentch
And democracies can be authoritarian or tyrannical, if the system or the majority has rotten enough. — Tzeentch
So we will never defeat Covid unless 100% of the world's population is vaccinated? Then Covid will never be defeated because you will never reach 100% world vaccination. — Harry Hindu
My employer's "polite" request was "Get the vaccine or get fired, — Book273
I got the injection. — Book273
We do not. Let it run. ALL of our attempts to control it thus far have resulted in epic failure, — Book273
Basic civics according to Mussolini.
“There is a Liberal theory of freedom, and there is a Fascist concept of liberty. For we, too, maintain the necessity of safeguarding the conditions that make for the free development of the individual; we, too, believe that the oppression of individual personality can find no place in the modern state. We do not, however, accept a bill of rights which tends to make the individual superior to the state and to empower him to act in opposition to society. Our concept of liberty is that the individual must be allowed to develop his personality in behalf of the state, for these ephemeral and infinitesimal elements of the complex and permanent life of society determine by their normal growth the development of the state. But this individual growth must be normal. A huge and disproportionate development of the individual of classes, would prove as fatal to society as abnormal growths are to living organisms. Freedom therefore is due to the citizen and to classes on condition that they exercise it in the interest of society as a whole and within the limits set by social exigencies, liberty being, like any other individual right, a concession of the state.”
Jackboots, brown shirts, service. — NOS4A2
We’re fighting, so we’re told, a war... — AJJ
You’re a fascist, Harry. — AJJ
Now it’s you. Read the Mussolini quote; read Robert Paxton’s book; your politics appear unambiguously to be fascist. — AJJ
They are now, because they offered it to us and you accepted. — AJJ
The Mussolini quote describes your own view. Paxton’s book emphasises a feature of fascism that we’re finding in rhetoric such as yours. — AJJ
They never predicted that it would come from the institutions of liberal democracies themselves. — NOS4A2
It’s not that broad. — AJJ
Liberty and individual growth in behalf of the state. — AJJ
For we, too, maintain the necessity of safeguarding the conditions that make for the free development of the individual; we, too, believe that the oppression of individual personality can find no place in the modern state. — NOS4A2
A huge and disproportionate development of the individual of classes, would prove as fatal to society as abnormal growths are to living organisms. — NOS4A2
Freedom a concession of the state — AJJ
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