I wonder to what extent the findings of the physicists will throw some clarity, or whether it will give rise to so much more uncertainty and the whole philosophical questions about the nature of consciousness and substances underlying the existence of 'mind'. — Jack Cummins
We have no idea what “material” or “physical” or “body” mean.
So there is no problem. — Xtrix
My only hope is that any such attempt, rather than putting limits on human potential, open it up to the most creative ones possible for the individual and humanity. — Jack Cummins
We have no idea what “material” or “physical” or “body” mean. — Xtrix
It can be asked if matter is the foundation of mind — Jack Cummins
In fact that's the real problem.And the root question of mind-body problem also. — dimosthenis9
"Physical" is an infinitely malleable category for every aspect of experience we can categorize as substance, usually by employing empirical methods.
"Material" in the context of neuroscience and consciousness theory has a similar meaning: physical "matter".
The "body" is carbon-based physiology, which consciousness transcends.
Seems simple enough to me. — Enrique
But we know how a television and computer work.
— Xtrix
I don't understand why that matters. I don't see any evidence that the brain is mysterious, just that we don't understand important things about how it works yet. — T Clark
If TV were to play movies without any understanding of how, I think that too would qualify as a mystery. — Xtrix
Regardless, the main point is that the entire idea of matter (which includes brains) is a mystery. — Xtrix
No, it isn’t. The question of whether the mind reduces to the activity of the brain is a variant, and it presumes we know what we’re talking about when we discuss the “physical.” But we don’t. — Xtrix
Within the debate between materialism and idealism it could be asked which is primary? — Jack Cummins
If I watch TV, the TV merely functionss as an intermediary, a sophisticated medium, like air, by means of which information is sent to you. It's in principle the same like the air between you and me if we directly talk to each other. — Cartuna
misunderstanding or inability to undestand. — Cartuna
Not true. The TV takes information from outside and then processes it to form the image and sound we see as the images — T Clark
A medium, like I wrote. You tele see. A far away image or one from the past. Of course that needs more than aether or air. — Cartuna
Every day, billions of people watch TV without any understanding of how it works. They don't think it's particularly mysterious. — T Clark
I don't see matter as particularly mysterious either. — T Clark
The thing is that mind is clearly something non physical. — dimosthenis9
But there hasn’t been a technical notion of matter for centuries, despite your feelings. — Xtrix
I also said nothing about “fully understood.” — Xtrix
Plenty of people argue the same thing about God, incidentally. God isn’t “fully understood,” but not mysterious. I don’t find that very convincing. — Xtrix
First we have to know what physical means. Which we don’t. So the statement is meaningless. — Xtrix
So, you do not consider the Standard Model a "technical notion?" — T Clark
That's a different discussion. — T Clark
By physical we mean what science have identified and observed so far. — dimosthenis9
Or else playing that definition game won't allow us to talk about anything at all! — dimosthenis9
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