Lol 'civil war'. As long as Trump doesn't rock the corporate boat too much and liberalism remains the limit of Harry Potter sytle 'resistance', America will simply openly become the plutocratic dreamworld/sewer it already is without even the sheen of aspiring otherwise. The American fantasists of "civil resistance" have been coopted and conscripted by the powers they fantasized about "resisting". Americans will roll over to their new fascist sponsors albeit with alot of soul-searching columns in the NYT wondering 'how did it come to this?' - right next to the Prime Day ad prominantly displayed below it.

Those calling for a Civil War are spoiled children. No one is enslaved, starving, or lacking of a future because of an oppressive tyrannical government. Its petty differences. None of those advocating for Civil war understand the death, the disease, the loss of electricity, water, services, comforts, and economic crash such a thing would entail. Not to mention opening us up to enemy infiltration from abroad.

No, we should not have a civil war. It is a dream of the brain-addled and foolishly ignorant.

The analysis by Barbara F Walter, a political science professor at the University of California at San Diego who sits on the Political Instability Task Force, is contained in a book due out next year and first reported by the Washington Post.

At the same time, three retired generals wrote in the Post that they were “increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos inside our military”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/20/us-closer-to-civil-war-new-book-barbara-walter-trump-capitol-attack

“The CIA actually has a taskforce designed to try to predict where and when political instability and conflict is likely to break out around the world. It’s just not legally allowed to look at the US. That means we are blind to the risk factors that are rapidly emerging here.”

Millions of fellow would-be insurrectionists will be there, too, Nieznany says, "a ticking time-bomb" targeting the Capitol. "There are lots of fully armed people wondering what's happening to this country," he says. "Are we going to let Biden keep destroying it? Or do we need to get rid of him? We're only going to take so much before we fight back." The 2024 election, he adds, may well be the trigger.

Nieznany is no loner. His political comments on the social-media site Quora received 44,000 views in the first two weeks of November and more than 4 million overall. He is one of many rank-and-file Republicans who own guns and in recent months have talked openly of the need to take down—by force if necessary—a federal government they see as illegitimate, overreaching and corrosive to American freedom....

America's massive and mostly Republican gun-rights movement dovetails with a growing belief among many Republicans that the federal government is an illegitimate tyranny that must be overthrown by any means necessary. That combustible formula raises the threat of armed, large-scale attacks around the 2024 presidential election—attacks that could make the January 6 insurrection look like a toothless stunt by comparison. "The idea that people would take up arms against an American election has gone from completely farfetched to something we have to start planning for and preparing for," says University of California, Los Angeles law professor Adam Winkler, an expert on gun policy and constitutional law.


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Should we have a civil war? — ZzzoneiroCosm

Yes, we should have a civil [*] war and not just in the US but in every country on earth and on other planets as well.

[*] Civil (meaning): adequate in courtesy and politeness.

Ha, plunge the muskets full with flowers.

A fascist dream of bible Trumpers and the rest of the dumbed-down population, read Republicans.

YOU IN MISSISSIPPI NOW BOY!!!!

THE END OF THE EMPIRE?

A fascist dream of bible Trumpers and the rest of the dumbed-down population, read Republicans.

YOU IN MISSISSIPPI NOW BOY!!!!

THE END OF THE EMPIRE? — boagie

Nicely put, but I see the empire getting bigger and bigger and dumber and dumber. They have Facebook and now Meta now and they can make us as dumb as they want to. The average mind is powerless vis-a-vis Facebook's predatory algorithms. It would be shitty to have Mississippi move to me.

Did you know that in 2018 about 20,000 people lost their lives in the Syrian civil war and that roughly the same numner of people died by homicide in the US in 2021? Civil war? Yes, there's a civil war ongoing in the US.

Ha, plunge the muskets full with flowers. — ZzzoneiroCosm

:up:

Why would anyone listen to a US military general who has served in the last 30 years

Most Americans buy into American exceptionalism, meaning we are the good guys, the problem with that is, that the world knows differently. It's been a hard lesson, the American empire has not been a kind master, supporting dictatorships and death squads in Latin America and around the world a nasty piece of work. It can be compared to a crime family on a global scale, but like the Nazis, they have overstretched even their resources. So to the rest of the world, if America self-destructs from within, the world will breathe a sigh of relief. Perhaps this is inevitable, but I fear horrific in fact.

If "the only war is the class war" then we already have a civil war in progress, It is of long duration but quiet. The very wealthy and the very powerful (all in the same club) have accumulated their power through stealth, legislation, practice, and acquiescence. The working class is their victim here, even if working class citizens are foolish enough to serve as foot soldiers in an up-rising, insurrection, coup, or civil war.

There is a good sized pool of fools in America: the anti-science; anti-vax, anti-media, anti-government, anti-intellectual, patriotic, free-enterprise, bible-wielding, conspiracy theory consumers, etc. Many of these people have already talked themselves into a corner where an admission that their world-view is a deeply flawed is not going to be at all easy.

Someone will come along who can generate a standing wave of hysteria, and it will e hell on wheels for a while.

Bitter Crank,

I sometimes think that the root of this dumbing down and accepting theories without evidence is the natural outgrowth of the religiousity of America. Accepting the absurd and when practiced enough then spreading out to other areas. I got that directly from the mouth of the talking snake.

From the OP's Washington Post article:

The potential for a total breakdown of the chain of command along partisan lines — from the top of the chain to squad level — is significant should another insurrection occur. The idea of rogue units organizing among themselves to support the “rightful” commander in chief cannot be dismissed.

I think this is the actual problem: the politization of all branches of the government. And that every issue out there will be made a partisan issue, basically part of "the culture war". Departments that ought to be non-political are actively drawn into being partisan players.

I think this first happened with the FBI. The way how the organization was dragged from being supporter of one side to another and how the former director tried and failed to keep non-partisan. The end result is that people's faith in the government will erode even more. Now it's happening to the army.

I'm not worried about a civil war in the conventional meaning. More apt possibility is a "time of troubles", a confusing time when the country will look more like Mexico.

Did you know that in 2018 about 20,000 people lost their lives in the Syrian civil war and that roughly the same numner of people died by homicide in the US in 2021? Civil war? Yes, there's a civil war ongoing in the US. — Agent Smith

Better to look south of your border. It's a better example. There the country isn't in literal civil war... at least in the capital and many parts are tranquil. Yet a total of 350,000-400,000 have died from organized crime homicides 2006–2021. Yes, that's a lower body count than the Syrian Civil War, which has killed 400 000 - 600 000 people.

Better to look south of your border. It's a better example. There the country isn't in literal civil war... at least in the capital and many parts are tranquil. Yet a total of 350,000-400,000 have died from organized crime homicides 2006–2021. Yes, that's a lower body count than the Syrian Civil War, which has killed 400 000 - 600 000 people. — ssu

I get it wrong sometimes. :blush:

Folks in the know are predicting a civil war in the US in 2024 — ZzzoneiroCosm

Another example of the irresponsible few happy to destroy society for their momentary intellectual amusement.

The article is a trifle piece of deep-state dinner-theater, as are the others. But the generals finally get to the meat of the matter when they suggest odious state and military tactics to silence dissent and mutiny. It’s no good when the military meddles in politics.

At the same time, three retired generals wrote in the Post that they were “increasingly concerned about the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election and the potential for lethal chaos inside our military”. — ZzzoneiroCosm

Sounds like Senator Palpatine creating fear to use as a reason to seize more power and to become Emperor.

BLM and the Good 'Ol Boys should just agree on a time and place in some dark alley and have at it and leave the rest of us alone.

Well, the Canadian army doesn't have to publicly state that it acknowledges the election results when there is an election. And Canadian politicians aren't calling your generals to ask them what they think of other politicians and then leaking the tapes into public.

But the generals finally get to the meat of the matter when they suggest odious state and military tactics to silence dissent and mutiny. — NOS4A2

Yeah.

That's called doing their job.

Like starting from the oath they take:

I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

So why not be ready for anything that might happen? They're ready for zombie apocalypse, so why not go for other scenarios as well? Doesn't mean they will happen...just like CONOP 8888 is surely hypothetical.

BLM and the Good 'Ol Boys should just agree on a time and place in some dark alley and have at it and leave the rest of us alone. — Harry Hindu

That's what people thought in Weimar Germany, actually. Have the NSAPD brownshirts fight the Rotfrontkämpferbund of the Communist party, so they will everybody else alone. Didn't go that way.

In Canada you cannot vote for the leader of the country and the military pledge allegiance to the Queen of England. Yeah, it’s real great. At least In Finland your leader gets to go clubbing.

That's called doing their job.

They were retired.

They were retired. — NOS4A2

Of course. Only retired officers open their mouth ...and for a reason. Basically it's the Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that speaks on behalf of the armed forces in this kind of issues. And he has had to make points that usually one doesn't make. Like mentioning that the armed forces is there to defend the constitution and doesn't pledge allegiance to any person (like you do).

At least In Finland your leader gets to go clubbing. — NOS4A2

Hey, if you're a 36-year old mom and your 4-year old daughter is with the grandparents at another city for the weekend, you go with your husband to parrrty!!!

Folks in the know are predicting a civil war in the US in 2024. — ZzzoneiroCosm

What does that even mean? It would appear to mean that misguided and deluded - and stupid - people are poised to break the law with guns. And for that, the police themselves have guns.

For a civil war, it seems to me, there must be some fundamental issue in question. Trump and Trumpism incapable of any such question or even the possibility of. What there is, is just a possibility of a dangerous and armed infantile tantrum. Implied somewhere above is that the motor for these outbursts is a sick and perverted racist fundamentalist "Christianity." And I buy that. If you need ignorance and stupidity compounded, fundamentalist religiosity is a fine manure for its cultivation.

Of course. Only retired officers open their mouth ...and for a reason. Basically it's the Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that speaks on behalf of the armed forces in this kind of issues. And he has had to make points that usually one doesn't make. Like mentioning that the armed forces is there to defend the constitution and doesn't pledge allegiance to any person (like you do).

The retired Obama and Clinton-supporting generals weave media articles with their own fears in order to knit an anti-Trump narrative, which will surely become another self-fulfilling prophesy, like the Russia hoax and the insurrection hoax. There is no military involved here. It’s politics, and they’re trying to convince congress to punish their political opponents.

Hey, if you're a 36-year old mom and your 4-year old daughter is with the grandparents at another city for the weekend, you go with your husband to parrrty!!!

Not if you’re leading a country and should be avoiding contact with others, as your own government recommends.

Not if you’re leading a country and should be avoiding contact with others, as your own government recommends. — NOS4A2

Actually, the government then didn't recommend avoiding contacts. We had just "opened up" and for those a) that have two vaccination shots and b) aren't in the group who have medical issues or c) are not old, partying was accepted. The government is just now (today) implementing (again) tough new measures.

(Nope, the outcry was that the foreign minister who she had met got a corona-positive result, yet she didn't have her phone with her where she got the text message about it (allegedly). Oooh, the horror!!! At least the opposition didn't cry for her removal from office, just had a great time seeing the prime minister in a mess of her own making.

insurrection hoax — NOS4A2

the insurrection hoax — NOS4A2

In what sense were the events of January 6th a hoax?

There was no insurrection.

There was no insurrection. — NOS4A2

If not "insurrection," what do you call the events of January 6th?

At worst, a riot.