Change, then, is simply what occurs when a property true of some individual is no longer true of that individual. — Banno
change is not a property. — Banno
an individual must occupy some sort of space — Daniel
Paris is spatial. — Manuel
The thing is that properties of objects are spatial. — Manuel
by time. — Arne
Why would this not be the same individual, extended in time? — Metaphysician Undercover
I think both space and objects are properties (i.e. events) of change — 180 Proof
I'm facing problems treating change as a property. — Agent Smith
Someone other than I postulated a mortgage as an example of an entity that is not in space. — Arne
And it occurred to me that if we accept for the sake of discussion that mortgages are not in space, we can differentiate them by the order in which they are created, i.e., we could differentiate them by time. — Arne
Simply put, if we accept for the sake of discussion that there are entities not in space, then time is one method by which we can differentiate them. — Arne
But this raises an additional and perhaps more fundamental issue, i.e., even if we accept for the sake of discussion that there are entities not in space, do they not necessarily refer to an entity that is or once was in space? — Arne
Change is what happens to properties. Yes, that's what I wanted to say from the very beginning. As far as I can see, change isn't a property. — Agent Smith
I don't think it's very useful to "accept for the sake of discussion" a phra — Metaphysician Undercover
That's not really true AS. Change is what happens to the thing. The thing either has or does not have the property, and in the time between it is changing. The property cannot change, or it would not be that property. It is, by definition, the stated property and there is no possibility of a changing property. Change is what happens to the thing in between having, and not having, the stated property. — Metaphysician Undercover
Numerals have spatial presence — Metaphysician Undercover
Asfar as I'm concerned change happens to properties (colors, shapes, temperature, weight, etc.) — Agent Smith
Asfar as I'm concerned change happens to properties (colors, shapes, temperature, weight, etc.) — Agent Smith
Numerals are symbols and as such they are especially useful when that for which they stand has no spatial existence. — Arne
If you would have spent a tad more time reading the last full paragraph of the comment you clearly spent a significant amount of time criticizing, you would see that I already addressed the possibility that even if we accept for sake of discussion that there are non-spatial entities, wouldn't they necessarily have to refer to an entity that is or was a spatial entity. — Arne
"Color" does not refer to a property, nor does "shape", "temperature", or "weight". Otherwise red and green would be the same property, round and square would be the same property, hot and cold would be the same property, and 5 kg and 100 kg would also be the same property. Surely you've got something confused AS. — Metaphysician Undercover
change is a necessary property of that entity. — Arne
I'm not saying anything new here. — Agent Smith
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