I think Zeus's concern, that with the technology of fire we would discover all technologies and then rival with the gods, forgetting the wisdom of the gods and thinking ourselves the ultimate power and destroying nature to satisfy ourselves, was a justified concern. We have confused technology with science and now have technological smarts but not wisdom. — Athena
What if we recognized chaos as the evil that threatens us and felt responsible for causing that chaos and also for restoring order? — Athena
Then "The Lord" compounded our precocious folly by condemning us to mortal lives that are "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short" by barring our way from the "Tree of Life" and thereby ensuring we could not live long enough to attain the wisdom required by "forbidden" knowledge. Think of how much wiser it would have been to have barred "Adam & Eve" from the "Tree of Knowledge" instead. Our "Fall" (foolishness) is/was imago dei, no?And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?” ... — Genesis 3:11, NKJ
I think Zeus's concern, that with the technology of fire we would discover all technologies and then rival with the gods, forgetting the wisdom of the gods and thinking ourselves the ultimate power and destroying nature to satisfy ourselves, was a justified concern. We have confused technology with science and now have technological smarts but not wisdom. — Athena
I am wondering how the discussion would go if we thought the Creator manifested our reality by giving chaos order and that human activity can either maintain that order or destroy it? — Athena
Prometheus gave man fire to watch the world burn — john27
Now that I have love in my life, I think he stole the fire to keep his love in comfort -- no effort spared. — god must be atheist
It will be too late tomorrow. — Raymond
I am not sure if this relates to your topic but some people believe that the current climate change and some other problems are the vengeance of God. The Old Testament shows that God has a wrathful anger as well as having the loving and forgiving aspects represented by the figure of Jesus. — Jack Cummins
If only I could learn to do the same... All in due time I guess. Or hope so, anyway. — john27
If only I could learn to do the same... All in due time I guess. Or hope so, anyway. — john27
Chaos theory is BS! :grin: — Agent Smith
If we don't want birds to fall from the sky, seas to devour, superstorms to rage, sweet water to taste bitter, unworldly screaming to be heard from within, the last trees to burn, the dark to enter daylight, and the light to ruin the night, the pace must be lowered this very moment. It will be too late tomorrow. — Raymond
Quite possibly. I prefer interesting quasi-symmetric patterns emerging from dynamical systems. — jgill
Could it be, that your wish is not to find love, but to turn to be a giver, provider and protector? — god must be atheist
If we don't want birds to fall from the sky, seas to devour, superstorms to rage, sweet water to taste bitter, unworldly screaming to be heard from within, the last trees to burn, the dark to enter daylight, and the light to ruin the night, the pace must be lowered this very moment. It will be too late tomorrow. Zeus' creation from Kaos will return to the Kaos it came from prematurely. Zeus won't give a damn. He will only laugh he created such stupidity and try again. — Raymond
Well, what kind of positivity do you need? I think the ecological shift brings great possibilities and threats. One of the questions I am grappling with is the question whether ecological thinking can provide new ideals that can give us a unified sense of purpose. To me ecology is metaphysics, 'deus sive natura', but not thought from God as the main point of departure, but nature, natura sive deus. — Tobias
I'm more after a humanistic positivity, something that stems from ourselves, something we can relate to. Kind of like an atheist dream: to live efficiently and well, even if there is no purpose. — john27
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