Human beings are meaning making creatures. We can't help but contrive and codify, systems, rules, positions, behaviours. Why is ethics different to any other human behaviour? Or are you coming at this from a foundational position? — Tom Storm
Except, our innate moral intuitions already underlie any such review. Reason here can only rationalize what we already feel to be true.
You are one of many who feels compelled to believe that ethics is Real with a capital R. I don't sympathize. Do you seriously think there is a material basis for ethics? This is
philosophically naive. — hypericin
Good. What does phenomenology make of ethics - isn't this the approach you are suggesting? For my money what sits before ethics is behaviour that either repels or attracts us. Then comes the postulation. — Tom Storm
We can still ask what is there in ‘ethics’ that cannot be taken out. That would be up to you … you see the problem therein? — I like sushi
As good a place to start as any. Any starting point needs to be seen as wrong at some point though. — I like sushi
ask then, what is in an attraction or repulsion? — Astrophel
Kant's old rationalisation itself relies on recognising the other. That's were we start. — Banno
I ask then, what is in an attraction or repulsion? — Astrophel
The counter to that is that people have different opinions on what is good or bad. Your assumption of good onto someone else could be drastically wrong. — schopenhauer1
I don't think the point is to take the Golden Rule in such a concrete manner. 'Do unto others' can mean we respect the other's preferences even if we don't share them, just as we how they well respect ours. Live and let live. No one has ever started a bar fight or war over being shown excessive courtesy... or not being stolen from or assaulted or murdered. — Tom Storm
If these studies conclude that history is a progression, then they are already assuming a fixed basis of the movement of history, a founding value defining the progress as progress rather than mere change. Progress is a ‘good’ kind of change, a change that conserves its origin. This conserving is the good isn’t a placing of ethics in first position, it’s a confusion of ethics with Nietzsche’s aesthetic ideal, the attempt to freeze history. — Joshs
What we believe will nearly always overwhelm what we observe. This is especially the case for pillars upon which we orientate our lives - rightly or wrongly. We need to be delusional and misinformed in order to grasp at understanding as if some ultimate understanding exists … that is basically the core of ‘ethics’. — I like sushi
You do. Your choice is just not blatantly apparent because it readjusts constantly (to some degree). The taste of something will vary due to mood, environment and patterns. An example would be symmetry … it is generally a pleasing feature. There are circumstances where symmetry effects taste. Such experiences refine/readjust initial experiences. — I like sushi
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